Gillham. Frances Ann.

[Sandiehawk]

Hope someone can help me find out more about Frances Ann Gillham. I have her as the daughter of John Frederick Gillham and Anne Nash. Born abt December 1835 and baptised 27-Dec-1835 at St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, Surrey.
 John F and Ann already had two sons, Frederick John b 23-Mar-1833 and baptised 10-Nov-1833 and George baptised 4-Feb-1838. All three baptised at the same church.
John, Anne and both sons came to Australia on the "William Metcalf" arriving August 1838.
I have marriage and other details in Australia for Frances Ann but as she didn't arrive in Aus with her family, how did she get here and when?
After the Gillham family arrived they had four more children.
I can't find any more information about her.  Please help!!
Sandiehawk.

[rosball]

I checked the passenger list http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z4q/ and they do only mention 2 children -John age 5 and George infant.   There is a remark in the comments which I don't understand but I don't think is about Frances.

The newspaper item of their arrival also only mentions 2 children http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12856655 but they probably took that from the shipping list.

I then wondered if perhaps Frances had died in London and they had another baby called Frances after arrival.  But I see she married in 1852 to Luke Killmore so seems unlikely.

I'm wondering if she was just omitted from the shipping list somehow?

Sorry not much help ...

regards,
   Ros

[rosball]

Not answering your question Sandiehawk but ...

In case you don't have it, here is a memoriam notice which gives useful family info.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/cite/1382974/13747008

GILLHAM.—In memoriam of our beloved parents, brother, and sister.-
October 26, 1886, at Holt-street, Sydney, Ann, beloved wife of J. F. Gillham, of Sydney.
August 29, 1887, Holt-street, Sydney, George, affectionate son of the above, aged 49 years.
September 15, 1888, at Toongabbie, Elizabeth Mary, beloved wife of John J. Gillham, carrier,  leaving an affectionate husband, one daughter, and three sons to mourn their loss.
October 20, 1883, at Holt-street,  Sydney, dear Fanny Gertrude, daughter of John J. and Elizabeth Mary Gillham, aged 3 years.
July 19, 1889, at Toongabbie, suddenly, J. F. Gillham, aged 79, our beloved father, leaving one son, John J. Gillham, carrier, Mrs. L. Killmore, Upper Macleay, Mrs. P. Malcom, Toongabbie, Mrs. R. Montgomery, Mrs. Mark Hamly, North Shore, 32 grandchildren, and 31 great-grandchildren, and many
other relatives and friends to mourn their loss.

regards,
   Ros

And a photo of Luke's grave http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=7174251

And an obit to Frances Wallbridge (Frances remarried in 1902 to John Wallbridge) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article125965921 when she died in 1925 aged 93 which says she came to the country when she was 4 years old.   Some nice snippets about the family too.

And a photo of Frances' grave http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8188438

[Ladyhawk]

I checked the passenger list http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z4q/ and they do only mention 2 children -John age 5 and George infant.   There is a remark in the comments which I don't understand but I don't think is about Frances.

As Frances was only three you would have thought she'd be travelling with her family - very strange
that she is not mentioned anywhere

I looked at

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896

It states
John Gilham married immigrant
Calling Hatter & shoemaker
Arrived Wm Metcalfe a native of London
son of Wm Gilham a baker of Lambeth & Frances Bissicks his wife
Age on embarkation: twenty eight - 17th Dec 1838
next page
Anne Gilham married immigrant
arrived by ship on Wm Metcalfe a native of London
dau. Of Wm Nash a cabinet maker of London & Anne Dawkes his wife
Calling hat trimmer
Age on embarkation: thirty – 28th June 183(8?)
Next page
under heading Male children, exceeding one & under 18 yrs
Fred’k John age five bapt. 23rd March 1838
George nine months

heading Female children
Nothing written 

If they are still alive could she be with her Gilham or Nash grandparents on UK 1841 census 
but rosball says it mentions Frances arrived when age 4, so that would make her arrival about 1839 - can't see anyone by that name on the New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896 

[Sandiehawk]

Thankyou for help so far to Rosball for the link to the newspaper article about the death of Frances. I presume it's "my" Frances?  I know that her father applied for a publicans license and that he was in financial trouble in the 1840's. Didn't know about a shop that they had though.
I already have the item from the newspaper about the family memoriam and Luke's gravestone.
Ladyhawk, I do have the information re passenger list but agree with you that it's still a mystery as to how and when she arrived here in Australia, perhaps she will be found on a passenger list somewhere.
I'll keep searching!!
Sandiehawk.

[Wiggy]

I have a similar thing happening in my family - a young daughter didn't come with her parents but did come with her sister and family - maybe . . . . . .??   

I too wondered how she cam and why not with the family - still don't know the why, but do now know the how! 

Good luck with the search  will have a look around - but if these others can't find her then I doubt i will.   

Wiggy   
 

[rosball]

I presume it's "my" Frances? 

Death Reg
14011/1925    WALLBRIDGE    FRANCES    father JOHN F, mother ANN at    KEMPSEY

Her death cert should give place of birth, parents' names, marriages and names and ages of children (if known to informant)

You can order a transcription which is cheaper and they e-mail to you http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription

I think the fact that the obit says her parents were Gilham and the death reg gives their names as John F and Ann, and that the obit says she was previously married to Luke Gilmore (yes should be Killmore - maybe on phone) and that she remarried at age 70 do point to it being your Frances.

Good thinking Wiggy  Did Ann have any married sisters who emigrated a little later?  Perhaps if Frances was ill when ship due to depart she may have stayed and travelled with sister's family (and under their name)

cheers,
   Ros

[noiram]

Hello Sandihawk,  I am very new to all this rootschat. However Frances Gil(l)ham the wife of Luke Kil(l)more is my husband's 2xgreat grandmother.  Perhaps after the silly season, we could share some info.
Noiram

[Sandiehawk]

Hello Noiram, really sorry that I haven't answered you before now. I've been a bit busy but would love to share any information with you,
regards,
Sandiehawk.