(*Completed with thanks*)Scotland's People .. Cannot Find Records .. Why?

[loobylooayr]

Alex is your great grandfather James on the 1861 with Isabella and half sibling John at St Andrews Square, Calton?
If not where is he please?
Seems odd that we can't find a death for Robert when it looks like he informed on birth of baby Jane in 1856. Maybe the death records of both babies should be looked at too.
Looby

[Gadget]

It might be worth having a look for William Bryce, the auctioneer,   and sister Margaret Small on the 1861  - all clues are worth following. It also looks as if Margaret Little didn't die/buried in Edinburgh. Was she dead by 1851 or is the status correct and she  died later. Census info is not always very helpful (like family bibles  )


Gadget

[New Zealander]

Re Margaret Little.

I have located the following record and this does fit with Robert Bryce being employed in the railways.

"On 05.11.1847 in the Parish of St Cuthbert's Edinburgh, Margaret Little age 36 years,wife of Robert Bryce of North British Railways, died of "Fever" at 3 St Ann Yards."  She was buried on in Warriston  Cemetery, Edinburgh, Plot 1 Common Ground on 07.11.1847.

I located this information several years ago and also phoned (from New Zealand) the civic authorities in Edinburgh and confirmed the burial.

Alex G

[Gadget]

So census info was wrong and it looks as if Robert went home to Mum as he's 'formerly....'

If he was a carter, he could have died anywhere. However, he's down as a warehouseman on all the later certs.  Are you sure that James's father was the same one who married Isabella?


Gadget

[andycand]

Hi

According to an earlier post James death certificate names Isabella as his mother, she was actually his step-mother but that would not be an unreasonable mistake for an informant to make.

Andy

[Gadget]

William and the Small's are still with mother in 1861 in Lanark:

Kingsons Knowe
Agners Woodson Bryce, widow,  84
Jean,  daughter, 61, dairymaid
William, son, widower, 56, carter
Agnes Small, gd, 19, dressmaker
James Small, gs,  16, carter
Elisabeth Small, gd 14

All b. Lanark

Gadget

[New Zealander]

Hi Gadget

Yes I am absolutely certain that the same Robert Bryce (father of James Bryce) married Isabella MacKay on 17.12.1853.  There is no doubt at all.

Also James Bryce's Death Cert in New Zealand from 1930 declares his parents as Robert Bryce and Isabella MacKay.  This is an error as his mother was Margaret Little.

Now I have both the Birth Cert and Death Cert for James Bryce and could post them here if necessary.  It is getting late here in New Zealand .. trouble staying awake .. but I could locate these records tomorrow.

Alex G

[Gadget]

Hi Alex

Only post small portions of the certs - site rules because of copyright.

Goodnight.

I'll try later as I have to go paint a wall and I'm sure Looby will be looking too 


Gadget

PS - I've seen the birth cert:

James's baptism record records Robert as a railway porter. I see that one of the witnesses was a William Bryce. James was bpt in Glasgow.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Bit more info:

Agnes's death cert of 17 Nov 1858 does not  record Robert as deceased, although Isabella was the informant (as with her birth).


Gadget