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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #81 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:03 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering if ordering Nathaniel White's death (1862) would reveal anything? If NB found out about his real dad, maybe he registered the death. In the previous thread Carole (Siamese girl) found a burial of a Nathaniel White in the workhouse.

"Nathaniel White died in the St Marylebone workhouse on 4 December 1862aged 77 "

Bizarre that Nathaniel Bryceson/White was born in the same workhouse that his (possible) father died in!

Quite a co-incidence. It might be worth a punt. I will think about maybe ordering it tomorrow.  ;)

I was also wondering if Granny Shepard's d/c would be worth buying though I don't think it will tell us much.

I'm signing off in a minute Deb.  :(

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #82 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:14 BST (UK) »
hmmmm

I'm not sure how they would know who is the right Mary without any 'real' details.

Could you put place of death as London instead of Middlesex ...
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #83 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:19 BST (UK) »
Granny Shepard's burial ..
20th Nov 1851
Parish of St Pancras
Mary Shepard buried, age 80, abode: Infirmary

Now to find death registration or do we have that somewhere already?

Bye for now, Ruskie!  :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #84 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:37 BST (UK) »
I must be going mad!  8)

I can't find Granny Shepard's death registration .............. ::)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #85 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:37 BST (UK) »
Hello all

Rather than trying GRO - is it worth phoning the Sup Registrar of the areas in question and having a chat with them explaining what the problem is and why we would like the information.   I know that some of us are abroad but if I have all the details I would be willing to give it a go.

Nesta

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #86 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 15:52 BST (UK) »
Hi nesta :)

That would be brilliant!

We have Mary Ward (wife of Matthew Ward), b 1797 and buried 29 Oct 1847:
Burial - St Anne, Soho 
Mary Ward, Richmond Buildings, age 50
(We have never been able to find Mary Ward nee Shepard on the 1841 census. However, her son and brother were living in Richmond Buildings in 1851) Matthew Ward, her husband, was of the same place when he married Mary and died there Mar 1851)

There were 4 possible death registrations. 2 were not her.

These are the others:

Dec q 1847:

Ward Mary
Marylebone
1 152

Ward Mary
Holborn
2 173

She may have died of some kind of tumour or cancer.

What other info would you need?

Thanks so much!

deb

 
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #87 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 16:32 BST (UK) »
No problem - will give it a try tomorrow.

I will write out a summary of my understanding of the situation later and post it up so you can amend if need be.

What are the numbers below the details ?

Thanks

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 16:53 BST (UK) »
Those are the reference numbers: Volume and page numbers.

Ward Mary
Dec quarter 1847
Marylebone
Volume 1
Page 152

Ward Mary
Dec q 1847
Holborn
Volume 2
Page 173

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again
« Reply #89 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 22:41 BST (UK) »
Excellent Nesta - thank you for the kind offer.

Those volume and page numbers only relate to the GRO system. (ie the mob now located in Southport). I believe that local register offices have their own system and the GRO numbers mean nothing to them.

We have also considered the possibility that Mary's death registration was never sent to the GRO, (therefore omitted for some reason) which means that it wouldn't appear on Freebmd.

Deb has given you all the facts that we know about Mary, however depending on where Mary died, and who the informant was, some/most/any/all of these facts may not have been known - possibly not even her exact age.  :-\ (so we probably need to be flexible with that too - as she had been so ill for so long she may have looked older than 50  :-\)

Although she may have had cancer her official cause of death may have been something other than that (cholera? pneumonia?) so we also need to keep an open mind regarding that as well. When reading the diary there was so much speculation as to exactly what Mary's ailment was, that this is probably one of the main reasons we are interested in her death certificate.  :)

The one definite is the date and place of burial, so she must died shortly before 29 October 1847 and within a reasonable distance to St Anne, Soho where she was buried.

I am keeping my fingers crossed - good luck.

............................

Deb, you might be right about place of death as London rather than Middlesex. I will see how Nesta gets on, and give that a try if she has no success.

Re Granny Shepard ... I thought we had at least one possibility for her death registration, but where might it be hiding?  ::)