Robert Noble...... had a son called John who had a daughter called Harriet who was my Great garandmother.
But this Robert Noble wasn't the Robert Noble who married Sarah Leech.
The "Later" postscript to my message - reply #6 - explains all. The marriage cert states that Robert was a widower aged 39 when he married Sarah Leech in 1849. The family that JJ found in 1851 states that Robert was born in Wansford, Yorkshire and that his father was John, a farmer. How do you know his mother was Anne? In any event there's no evidence that he was born in St Ives, Hunts - I've no idea where this came from. There's no John living with Sarah in Bingley in either 1851 or 1861. And the only possible marriage that I can find between John Noble and Sarah Butcher was in St Ives, Hunts registration district in the Sept quarter 1871, which brings us back full circle to St Ives.
I think you're mixing and matching two Robert Nobles. Why do you think that Robert, the father of John who married Sarah Butcher in St Ives, was the Robert who married Sarah Leech in Leeds?
Let's go back to the drawing board.
- Have you got Harriet's birth cert which will give her mother's maiden name? I assume it was Butcher.
- in 1881 Harriet 6 was living in St Ives with her parents John 31 b St Ives and Sarah Ann 32 b Sutton Cambs
- have you got the marriage cert of John Noble and Sarah Ann Butcher, which will give fathers' names? I assume John's father was Robert a shoemaker? If so why on earth do you think he was the Robert, a delver, who married in Leeds in 1849?
- have you got the birth cert of John Noble b 1850 in St Ives which will give you his mother's maiden name? In all probability Fisher.
In 1851 in St Ives was
Robert Noble head marr 47 shoemaker b Sharnbrook Beds
Sarah Noble wife 39 Shoe binder b Biggleswade Beds
William Noble son 15 b Godmanchester Hunts
Mary Noble dau 15 b Godmanchester
Susan Noble dau 10 b St Ives
Emma Noble dau 8 b St Ives
Frances Noble dau 6 b St Ives
John Noble son 1 b St Ives
Harriet Noble dau 4 mths b St Ives
So the St Ives family IS yours, and it's the Leeds/Bingley family that's nothing to do with you. Forget Leeds, Yorkshire and Sarah Leech. They're not your family. See the opening paragraph of my previous message. The mother of John looks to be Sarah Fisher, who married Robert Noble in St Ives in 1829.
In the morning I'll look further for the first marriage of Robert born 1804 living in St Ives - I've tentatively identified a possibility but want to do a bit more research first. But it's not really relevant to you as I think John was the son of Sarah Fisher.
Sunday morning The earlier marriage of Robert Noble that I'd seen was in 1814 to Susannah Harvey at St Ives, so too early to have been yours - and in any event they're living in St Ives in 1851, aged 57, so they can definitely be ruled out.
In 1871 living at Wool Pack Lane St Ives were
Sarah Noble head widow 60 Char woman
John Noble son unmarr 22 Shoemaker
Sarah Ann Noble grand dau 13
George Noble grandson 9
William Noble grandson 7
John Fisher nephew unmarr 17 Labourer general
All born St Ives.
So there's the probable link to Sarah Fisher who married Robert Noble in 1829
Whilst in 1851 Robert gives his age as 47 and birthplace as Sharnbrook, and I found what looks to be his baptism in Bletsoe, in 1861 his birthplace is "On the high seas" but his age is consistent at 57.
So to summarise, I think that Robert, the father of John born 1850 at St Ives, the father of Harriet born 1875 at St Ives, was baptised at Bletsoe Beds on 24 Nov 1803, the son of Benjamin and Susan (Summerfield) Noble who married at Sharnbrook Beds on 25 Dec 1798. Robert married Sarah Fisher at St Ives in 1829, but I haven't got the exact date as Hunts Marriage Index only gives the year.
David