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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 21 June 14 20:44 BST (UK) »
Can see a death for James McKenzie aged 72 in Arbroath, 1859, mother's maiden name Gibb (as per the maiden name in the OPR birth in Guthrie you wondered about)

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 21 June 14 20:49 BST (UK) »
I also note the OPR Death record for a Susan Davidson 25/02/1854 in Montrose ... from memory some of the OPR death records I have from Montrose provide the age of the deceased which could be of use in helping to decide if it's 'your' Susan Davidson

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 June 14 09:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica and Gali,
Thanks Gali a spending spree at SP - I've now got James, Magdelen, and Susan's death records.  James died in the Arbroath infirmary and the matron signed  :( he's listed as single and his parents are Alexander McKenzie - cattle dealer :) and Mary Gibb.  That all ties in with him on the 51 census giving his place of birth as Guthrie.

Magdelen died 1862 parents James Davidson (farmer) and Mary Teviotdale - no surprise but good to confirm and I now know James was a farmer. Might have a hunt for their brother Alexander maybe he inherited the farm or more likely tenancy?

Susan oh la la...everyone on the page has their age and cause of death showing not Susan. She died on the 25th of February 1854 age 56 - so a birth date of 1797 as she would have been 57 in the August - two years out? No cause of death showing.  Next to her name is written - lunatic. Interred Rosehill.

I've also downloaded the birth record for Susan Davidson born Craig 1795 not much info (no witnesses) and I can't read place of birth might be Pitamoors/Pitamows.

I'm now fairly confident that the Susan and James found on the 41 and 51 census are young James McKenzie's parents and that James Snr is lodging with Susan's sister Magdelan in Arbroath.

Monica that Alexander Mitchell you found he's a bit intriguing is he not - don't you just love all those names. I'll follow that up - but not today as I've got open garden next weekend and a shed load of work still to do.
Jen
North East Scotland above the Tay...
JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 June 14 09:41 BST (UK) »
I've also downloaded the birth record for Susan Davidson born Craig 1795 not much info (no witnesses) and I can't read place of birth might be Pitamoors/Pitamows.

Pitarris? http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2508678 - click on the map to magnify it. It's right on the western extremity of the parish of Craig, next to Maryton.
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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 June 14 10:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks Forfarian it could well be - I think I'll ask for a rescan as the image is appalling. I've looked on an 1868 map but it's not named. If it is Pitarris then Susan must have spent her life a stone's throw from her birth place. 

Monica - sorting papers and noticed James Jnr - on the 41 census - working for the Deuchars. Might end up with a genealogy study of the whole of Craig if I'm not careful....
Jen

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http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400150
think it might be here as 'Pitteres'
North East Scotland above the Tay...
JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 June 14 10:40 BST (UK) »
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 June 14 11:25 BST (UK) »
Hope your Open Garden goes brilliantly  ;)

Ann, wife of Charles Deuchar is a Davidson. Marriage 1817 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTRF-FJS

Charles Deuchar 50
Ann Deuchar 50
Magdalene Deuchar 15 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYNP-GLK
Charlotte Deuchar 10 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYNP-GLB
James McLernie (must be Mckenzie) 20 agr. lab.

Address: Hillhead Of Bonnaton, Craig

...and a possible from someone else's online research http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Davidson-3013 

Further info here www.thepotters.ca/Genealogy/p49.htm#i100 and here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/S5PV-4T3

Monica
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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 June 14 19:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,
I've got the 1890 dead cert for the Alexander Deucher Davidson Mitchell born Craig but he's not my Susan's boy- at least I don't think he is! Parents listed as William Mitchell 'railway contractor' and Susan Mitchell ms Davidson! He was the only Alexander Mitchell I could find on the census born at Craig (61,and 81 to add to your find in 71) and with those names I was sure it would turn out to be him...I wonder when the railway went through Montrose?
I think I need to start saving for a holiday in Scotland so I can sit with the Kirk Session minutes for about a week! 24 hours of torrential rain so no gardening today :(
Jen
North East Scotland above the Tay...
JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: James McKenzie born Craig 1821
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 June 14 12:36 BST (UK) »
Why don't you think Alexander DD Mitchell is the right one, Jen? Susan Davidson was given as his mother on his death cert. You know Susan remained unmarried and had at least two illegitimate children: James McKenzie and Alexander Mitchell. William Mitchell is likely Alexander's reputed father you would think and by the time of Alexander Mitchell's death, his parents showed/reported as 'married' I am guessing from what you have.

Monica

PS: Sad about the rain...but good for the garden  8)
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