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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 21 June 14 22:32 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Eliza Ann had a will and if Minna is mentioned in that  ???

Would I access that through state archives?
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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 21 June 14 22:52 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Eliza Ann had a will and if Minna is mentioned in that  ???

Would I access that through state archives?

I did check the online indexes and couldnt find one. Im not sure how else to go about it, i havent as yet had to obtain a will from NSW, maybe contact the NSW archives or another member on here might be able to advice you further.

http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/

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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 June 14 00:42 BST (UK) »

Obit for Eliza KIRKLAND d. Dec 1915
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/125930756?

It describes....four sons and four daughters.

They are named on the death certificate.

Minna must have known that she was not identified in the family as daughter of Henry and Eliza. She might have been a child without family.....close CAMPBELL or KIRKLAND...or not related at all....taken in by the KIRKLAND family.
With no family of her own Minna would names the Kirklands as her parents.



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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 June 14 01:01 BST (UK) »
Minnie could have been a foster child and maybe never knew who her parents were.

But i did find this ... I couldnt find any births for Minna under Kirkland so thought i would try Campbell. No father listed.

NSW birth index.
21203/1882    CAMPBELL    RUBIE L M     mother     AGNES E    MOLONG 

Most likely a real long shot.

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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 June 14 01:42 BST (UK) »
Minnie could have been a foster child and maybe never knew who her parents were.

But i did find this ... I couldnt find any births for Minna under Kirkland so thought i would try Campbell. No father listed.

NSW birth index.
21203/1882    CAMPBELL    RUBIE L M     mother     AGNES E    MOLONG 

Most likely a real long shot.

Interesting, because there's an obit for Agnes Campbell from Molong on Trove, which states she only had one child - a son called John Henry. BDM states that an Agnes Campbell from Molong had two children around a similar time - John Henry in 1879 and Rubie LLM in 1882. Perhaps Agnes is a relative of Eliza Ann and couldn't afford to keep the second one? I might go hunting down that path for a while :)
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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 June 14 02:14 BST (UK) »
I think it could be worth looking at, even if it just eliminates that birth for Minna.

Just posting this for future ref.

NSW birth index
17396/1879    CAMPBELL    JOHN HENRY        mother  AGNES    MOLONG
21203/1882    CAMPBELL    RUBIE L M     mother     AGNES E    MOLONG 

NSW death index
13765/1928    CAMPBELL    AGNES    JOHN    ELIZA    DUBBO

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132337355?

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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 June 14 09:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Ronda76

Welcome to Rootschat.

The following website "mid north coast pioneers"  contains info on the Kirkland family.

http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/search.php

Just search for Kirkland. This website covers families that are pioneers of the area and are inter-related.

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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 June 14 10:19 BST (UK) »
Could this be a clue.

John Kirkland's children living with grandmother Eliza Anne Kirkland

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93058180?searchTerm=kirkland%20bungawalbyn&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom|||dateTo|||sortby

Sorry don't know how to shrink the link.

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Re: Help! Kirkland/Estreich dead end
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 June 14 10:49 BST (UK) »
Could this be a clue.

John Kirkland's children living with grandmother Eliza Anne Kirkland

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93058180?searchTerm=kirkland%20bungawalbyn&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom|||dateTo|||sortby

Sorry don't know how to shrink the link.

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I got all excited by this! But then I just checked BDM and I don't think she was one of the kids (see attached doc). But it still enabled me to rule out John as the potential father and it's starting to paint a bit of a picture of Eliza Ann Kirkland as being a nanna who just ended up with all these random grandkids on her doorstep...so it's one step closer! :)

Patch, Counsell, Jeffree, Kelly, Jupp, Salkeld, Gow, Doust, Estreich, Kirkland, Nye, Cummings, Field, Russ, Short, Jones, Pamplin, Randall, Mitchell, Ravencroft, Christie, Graham, O'Donnell, Franklin, Evans, Holmes.