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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 07:52 BST (UK) »
Are you suggesting that James Lee`s wife is not Elizabeth Humphries, but someone named Sara?

I presume you are talking about the couple that you thought were Peter bn c1812's parents  :-\

I confirmed that James who married Ann had parents Peter & Elizabeth.

This looks like James christening with mother Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3LG-1TL

04 Sep 1836
Eastham, Cheshire
Father Peter Lee
Mother Elizabeth


I then doubted your original find of parents of Peter
 
Yes I would agree that you are right until you get to Peter bn 1813's baptism
 
I think you may have taken a stab in the dark at the wrong record here.

There is a Peter Lee on census who was born around 1813 with a wife Ann. This Peter was bn Cholmondely which appears to be not that far from Malpas.   

The 1871 for Peter & Elizabeth gives his place of Birth as Bidstone

This baptism would fit
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQL6-S4F

ADDED
The census for Peter & Elizabeth give place of birth as follows
1851 - Peter - Woodchurch  (Elizabeth - Stoke)
1861 - Peter - Sutton (Elizabeth - Stoke)
1871 - Peter - Bidston (Elizabeth -Stoke)
1881 - Peter - Hoylake (Elizabeth -Stoke)

It looks as though your Peters parents are probably William & Sarah, not James & Elizabeth
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 08:51 BST (UK) »
Sorry.I meant William,son of James & Elizabeth.
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 11:20 BST (UK) »
Sorry.I meant William,son of James & Elizabeth.
David

Sorry, I am confused now  :)
I found a baptism for who I believe is your Peter on familysearch

09 Aug 1812
Bidstone, Cheshire, England
Father Wm. Lee
Mother Sarah

Where do James & Elizabeth come into it, the only Elizabeth I can see was married to Peter  :-\

Are you still looking at the Malpas christening as yours
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NHL2-QBL

ADDED This looks like the burial for the Malpas baptism in 1874
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4NB-NZD
Your Peter is still alive in 1881


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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 25 June 14 22:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie,
I told you I was getting totally confused.The William I was trying to find a wife for(Sarah Cartlidge) was as I originally said was the son of James Lee (b Malpas 1776)and Elizabeth Humphreys.
I have Peter b  Nov 15 1812-d 1884 (son of James & Elizabeth -brother of William above),married to Elizabeth Jones.
So there are (or I have) two Elizabeths.

Yes-I am still looking at the Malpas baptism of Peter in 1812 and his death in 1884 as mine, but the burial record you found throws doubt on this
What has added to my confusion though is the Bidstone baptism record which gives his parents as William & Sara
So I need to tie down who is MY Peter, and who is his wife , -then this could make all the siblings and children I  have on my tree wrong.
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 26 June 14 01:44 BST (UK) »
Time for me to clarify in my own mind where I now am as a result of this thread:

1 I know I have my Grandfather William correct.
2.I know that I have my Great GFather James Lee & Ann Lee correct,BUT,previous findings by contributors could mean that I have the 'wrong'James,(because of doubt re his father Peter) which could affect his siblings I have on my tree.
3.You indicate that I have the wrong Peter, which in turn could mean that his wife Elizabeth Jones is also wrong.And all their children.
4.Finally if Peter`s parents are William and Sara (not James & Elizabeth)then I need to start again from this point to identify William and Sara ?Again all the children I have will be wrong.

it was this for James Lee from the 1841 Census that probably contributed to me accepting Peter & Elizabeth.
 Birth: Circa 1837 - Cheshire, England
Residence: 1841 - Sutton, Little, Sutton, Little, Cheshire, England
Parents (implied): Peter Lee, Elizabeth Lee
Siblings (implied): Ann Lee, Elizabeth Lee, Peter Lee
Short of starting again and throwing away four years of research,where do I go from here.
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 26 June 14 08:30 BST (UK) »
it was this for James Lee from the 1841 Census that probably contributed to me accepting Peter & Elizabeth.
Birth: Circa 1837 - Cheshire, England
Residence: 1841 - Sutton, Little, Sutton, Little, Cheshire, England
Parents (implied): Peter Lee, Elizabeth Lee
Siblings (implied): Ann Lee, Elizabeth Lee, Peter Lee


I think that you do have that 1841 family correct  :)
The same family living Little Sutton area on all census

1851 -H0107/2173 f188 p14
Peter Lee   38 Born Woodchurch
Elizabath Lee 37 Born Stoke
Ann Lee 15
James Lee    14
Elizabath Lee 13
John 7
William 6
Peter So   5
Robert So   3
Rachel Lee 1
Charles Lee 4 Mths

1861 RG9/2636 f50 p5
Peter Lee   48 born Sutton
Elizabeth Lee   47 born Stoke
Robert Lee 13
Charles Lee 10
Luke Lee   8
Sarah Lee   8
Joseph Lee 6

1871 RG10 /3740 f54 p2
Peter Lee   58 Born Bidston
Elizabeth Lee 57 Born Stoke
Charles Lee 20
Sarah Lee   18
Joseph Lee 16
Fanny Clara Lee 2
Owen Ellis   20
Richard Lewis 16

1881 RG11/3569 f57 p2
Peter Lee   68 born Hoylake
Elizabeth Lee   67
Charles Lee   30
Fanny C. Lee   12
Robert Lee   8
William L. Lee   5
Charles Davies   27

If you look at the birthplaces given for Peter on Google earth or similar you will see that they are all located in the same area above Chester. Malpas is below Chester.
As Peters birth places vary you would obviously have to rule in/out any possible baptisms in any of those parishes. I just happened to spot the Bidstone one on familysearch.
1851 - Peter - Woodchurch 
1861 - Peter - Sutton (Little Sutton)
1871 - Peter - Bidston
1881 - Peter - Hoylake

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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 26 June 14 08:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie,
Thanks for that .I am quite relieved, as I spent most of the day trying to find a Peter with parents William & Sarah, and not a trace anywhere.
During the search I did stumble across confirmation of William (b1818)marrying Sarah Carlidge,and confirmed his father as James Lee & mother Elizabeth Humphrey.However I found this on Family Search Genealogies, which isn`t exactly foolproof, as someone else could have got it wrong.Never the less I feel better now.
Thanks for your help
David
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 26 June 14 15:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie,
I spent most of the day trying to find a Peter with parents William & Sarah, and not a trace anywhere.
During the search I did stumble across confirmation of William (b1818)marrying Sarah Carlidge,and confirmed his father as James Lee & mother Elizabeth Humphrey.

Not sure what you mean by looking for a Peter with parents William & Sarah, I have given you the link to the baptism below and Peter is married with his own family by 1841.  :-\

Peters parents William & Sarah were having children baptised in Bidstone -
Margaret 1806 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ34-MLK
William 1808 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ34-9FJ
Peter 1812 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQL6-S4F
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Re: My LEE Ancestry.England
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 26 June 14 15:22 BST (UK) »

During the search I did stumble across confirmation of William (b1818)marrying Sarah Carlidge,and confirmed his father as James Lee & mother Elizabeth Humphrey.

Where does he fit into your tree
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