John Hutchinson

[roxy51]

Born Nottingham UK 1831
Arrived Australia 1858
Lived in Collector NSW or around the Goulburn area
Worked as shepherd at Winderdeen Station near Collector
Partner Ellen Narven, Narver or Navin
Son Joseph born 1867

[rosie17]

Hi Roxy and welcome what information are you looking for ?

[roxy51]

Hi Rosie, Thanks for your quick reply.  I know our John arrived onboard I.R. Moro from San Francisco into Sydney in 1858.  Would like to trace his movements before that, who were his parents and if he headed to America for the gold rush and then onto Australia.  He died before 1906 but I can't find a death for him here so maybe he went back to the UK.  He was a bit of a rebel as he was in jail for various minor offences and then once for arson.  He is a direct relative of my husband and I have been trying to find out more about him for some time.  This is my first time on rootschat, so hope you can help.  I know there were a lot of Hutchinsons born in the Nottingham area, but which one is him???  Many thanks

[keyboard86]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat, did John marry the Ellen Narven, if so when, and do you have the marriage certificate as his father's name & occupation should be on it?

Keyboard86

[roxy51]

No he didn't marry Ellen.  I can't find anything on her either.  Her name varied from Narver, Narven, Nagle and I've tried every combination to try and match without success.  They had their son Joseph when they were both aged 31 (no other children that I can find).  So maybe he was already married back in UK.  He was deceased when Joseph married in 1906, but Ellen was still alive.

You are really on the ball.  What time is it back there?

[keyboard86]

  02:00 working night shift, break time now!

Keyboard86

[Ruskie]

Welcome to rootschat Roxy.

This is a tricky one as your research spans several countries - you probably need help from Austrailan experts as well as Nottinghamshire and also the USA.

Maybe see how you get on here first, but you might need to ask for lookups on other boards too. 

[Ruskie]

If John's year of birth was correct and he was born about 1831 in Nottinghamshire, presumably he might still be living with parents in the 1841 census, aged 10.

Looking for John Hutch*son b1831 +/- 5 years, there are only 13 results. This could probably be narrowed down a bit to births +/-  2 years. It might be feasible to research each of those Johns, follow them through the censuses to see which ones stay in Nottingham, which die and which disappear - using a process of elimination to find your John.

Ideally, if you can find a death for him in Australia, his d/c may name parents. This is probably the best starting point for you. Perhaps you should start a new thread on the Australia board? (Provide a link to this and any other related threads to prevent duplication of effort)

Have you found a death or burial for Ellen to see if John is with her?

PS. There are other scenarios of course, such as the whole family going to the USA when John was young, his parents dying etc, so John may have left England prior to the 1841 census.

PPS. How sure are you that he and Ellen did not marry? Do you have son Joseph's birth certificate? Did this tell you that father John was born in Nottingham?
On an Australian thread I would ask for checks for a marriage and other children as well as a death for John.

[majm]

Hi there,

Some New South Wales, Australia info:

NSW Electoral Roll,  1870 ARGYLE
John HUTCHINSON, residence, Kippilaw.

NSW ER 1878 ARGYLE
NO listing for anyone with surname HUTCHINSON. 

So, it seems he had moved on by 1878.

Kippilaw is around 10 km west of Goulburn.    http://www.gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/kippilaw/kippilaw.htm

http://www.gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/kippilaw/kippilaw.pdf  Perhaps there’s a name there that may lead back to Ellen or her family.

Do you have Joseph's NSW birth cert (or official transcription) and if so, what info noted there ...?

Did Joseph marry in Australia, perhaps in NSW in 1906?   What info is on that marriage cert (or official transcription) ?   

I am happy to look through my NSW resources, just need some further clues  so I hope you don't mind my asking lots of questions.

Here's some more questions....
Re Joseph's mum ....  What are the various documents that are giving you the alternative spellings of her name?  Do you know if she was born NSW?   Do you know where she died?

ADD

Could this be Joseph's birth registration?

The NSW BDM online index has a birth registered for a Joseph HUTCHINSON, with father as John and mother as Ellen.   (#9566).   The register’s entry should include details that the informant provided as to where and when John and Ellen married, as well as Ellen’s nee name.     The same number (#9566) at the index is also showing "NARVEN" for Joseph, and his father's name is not displayed.   The surname for the CHILD was not actually a feature of NSW Birth registration certificates until very recent times (post 1975 from memory)


Civil Registration commences in NSW in March 1856, and births were recorded by deputy registrars receiving VERBAL advice from the informants until around WWI when the regulations were 'tightened'.       

Cheers,  JM