John Hutchinson

[wivenhoe]

".. I know our John arrived onboard I.R. Moro from San Francisco into Sydney in 1858". 

How have you identified this John HUTCHINSON, and John HUTCHINSON, father of Joseph, b. 1867,  to be the same man?

Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate, 1906?.

What residential addresses are on this certificate?.

Where are they married.....name of church......

[majm]

Just some jottings as I refresh my grey cells with current jottings after quick re-read of the thread. .

NSW BDM online index.

Birth for Joseph 29 Sept 1867 is indexed twice at NSW BDM.  (#9566)
One entry has surname as HUTCHINSON, with John as father and the other entry has surname as NARVEN, no father displayed.   Registered Goulburn district. 

Index prepared in 1930s, from original registers, which were in longhand, and by 1930s they had been ‘well used’ …. Ink bleeds, thumbed corners, pages torn etc., and 1867 … that’s an era when the info was given orally at the local court house, so the clerk recording it may have had different accent from the informant, and may not have had a university degree in spelling.  The register would be facing the clerk, the informant would be on other side of the counter, and may not have had a university degree in reading clerk’s scribble ‘upside down’, and more than likely was not as literate as the clerk.  But notice that Joseph’s dad was the informant, and that’s likely to indicate his willingness to acknowledge the informal marriage relationship with Ellen. 

Marriage 1906 … #1198 registered Dubbo district  a Joseph HITCHINSON and Mary A RYAN … likely to be same Joseph as he has given correct parents’ names accepting spelling variations seem to point back to the 1867 birth cert (#9566). 

Agree with Wivenhoe,  yes, the info on the 1906 marriage … witnesses, addresses, denomination of church etc … would be very helpful,  AND also how does the chap on the ship from San Francisco in 1858 match up with the chap as informant on the 1867 birth cert – that’s a very important question to tackle, particularly if I mention there’s HUTCHISON as a possible spelling variation at the indexes at NSW BDM.    – John HUTCHISON, aged 48 years died Yass 28 February 1881, death registered Yass District in 1881.  #11226     

JM

[roxy51]

John Hutchinson and his son Joseph were charged with arson in 1878 Goulburn Court.  I did find his gaol record on Ancestry. Joseph was not charged. He was only 11 or 12. It said John was born in Nottingham UK 1831. Arrived about 1858 I.R. Moro. Don't know if he was a seaman.  His occupation in 1878 was shepherd. I did find some sailing from San Francisco but no John Hutchinson.

Joseph was married in 23 Feb 1906 Dubbo - St Brigids Catholic Church.  John Hutchinson (labourer) was recorded as deceased. His mother Ellen Narvan was still alive.  Witnesses: James Bowman and Kate Mallow. Minister Nicholas Cooney.  Reg No 1906/001198

Does this help?

Many thanks
Roxy

[majm]

Yes,  it certainly does.  BOWMAN ... now just look across at my avatar    Fingers crossed I have some papers on one of those witnesses. 

JM

[majm]

John HUTCHINSON was acquitted of the Arson charge on 21 June 1878.

JM

[wivenhoe]

BDM NSW birth
2818/1898       GALVIN  William J  parents  - /  Mary  @ Dubbo
2818 /1898      HUTCHINSON  William J  parents Joseph / Mary @ Dubbo
(William James HUTCHINSON KIA 20 Nov 1916 #5054)
 
BDM QLD birth
1907 C3160 Dorris Mary Ann HUTCHINSON 
parents Joseph / Mary Ann Ryan

1911 C2812 Francis Percy HUTCHINSON
parents Joseph / Mary Ann Galvin

BDM QLD death
1934 C4664 Mary Ann HUTCHINSON
parents  John Galvin  / Mary Ann Ryan

[majm]

NSW ER 1902 ROBERTSON, polling at Dubbo
Patrick GALVIN, of Dubbo, labourer. (JM advises that there’s no street addresses for anyone on this roll for those polling at Dubbo)
Also, NO ONE with surname NARVER or variations.   Roll is alpha by surname so there’s Napthali then Naudin,  I checked all those starting with “N” and with “M” and with “W” but there’s more than “Dubbo” the town within the 1906 NSW BDM district of ‘DUBBO’ so I need to find time to consider the other polling places that would be in the NSW BDM Dubbo district    . 

I will strive to get back to this as soon as, but I have some non RChat commitments that I need to attend to.

JM

[wivenhoe]

".....Does this help?"

Every piece of information on every record, document, notice that you have is useful.....names, dates, occupations, churches, cemetery, addresses, graves, witnesses, godparents, beneficiaries, mourners, pallbearers, next of kin, executors.........the tea lady, next door's dog, the kid in the back row of the photo.....everything...everything.......

When you are giving information from a source...........please list everything on the document / photo / inscription / notice........

Can you please list every piece of information on the death certificate 1915....names, dates, addresses, children, ages, informant, cemetery etc...etc...everything......everything....everything.

So, when and where was the birth 1867 recorded........?

Got it........
Found this in your reply....  birth is 29 September 1867 at Winderadeen near Collector NSW
                                        Registered by C.S. Alexander on 6 November 1867 at Goulburn.

[majm]

Exactly so W,  sometimes it is even important to consider all those things and recognise what has NOT been recorded - so you research deliberately seeking to notice what is NOT there... 

I have to go !  Long road trip tomorrow, from Nords Wharf to Bowral and then back home. 

JM