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murphy family
« on: Tuesday 08 July 14 09:58 BST (UK) »
i have been trying for sometime to findout more about my ancestors the murphy family from dublin,
i have gone back to 1901 census where we find the family living with a mrs greeg maria,
residents of a house 172 leeson park avenue (rathmines and rathgar east dublin.
where we find
kelly mary age 6 female grand child r,catholic,born dublin
greeg maria age 49 female head of house church of ireland,born county monaghan widow
murphy anne age 50 female servant c,catholic born county wicklow married
murphy john age 51 male stableman c,catholic ,born dublin married
murphy michael age 14 male,son scolar .c.catholic ,born blackrock dublin,
murphy thomas age 11 male,son scolar ,c.catholic born blackrock dublin
murphy patrick age 19 male,son scolar ,c.catholic,born blackrock dublin
murphy john age 25 male,son c,catholic van driver born black rock dublin,

now john murphy died 4th april 1901.mrs anne murphy informed glasnevin cemetry of his death ,buried in glasnevin cemetry
maria greeg died 1904 ,leaving her house leeson park avenue to be sold for her son henry greeg
so the murphy family had to move out of leeson park avenue,
next we find the family 1911 census, living at 1.2 westmoreland park (rathmines and  rathgar east,dublin,
without john murphy he had died leaving ann murphy a widow,
residents of a house 1.2 westmoreland park (rathmines and rathgar.east dublin
murphy peter age 39 male son ,grocer porter r.catholic born blackrock dublin,
murphy patrick age 28 male son general labourer ,r.catholic .born dublin.
murphy thomas age 21 male son grocer porter ,r.catolic ,born dublin
murphy ann.age 60 female head of house ,daley worker.r,catholic ,born county wicklow
kelly ginney age 16 female ,grand daughter,scolar r.catholic.born dublin
murphy dick age 16 male ,grandson.messenger boy,r.catholic born dublin,
murphy mary age 14 female granddaughter ,scolar ,born dublin,
murphy peter age 8 male grandson scolar,born dublin,
now john murphy died some where between 1901 -1911,
grave never found
ann murphy died after 1911,grave not found,marrige to john never found,
grand children kelly mary /ginney must be the same person,but there was no daughters who married a kelly ,
also peter murphy ,michael murphy ,john murphy never married thomas murphy married mary ann duffy in 1926,leaving only patrick murphy who was to young to be a parent to any of the grand children so there must have been more sons.
the irish genealogy sent me this message
now the murphy name only started when the son of the last king of leinster died ,he changed his name to murphy,as his real name was murrougha he just added y to murr,
so if yopu start at criomthann mac murrough caomhanach 1557 to 1582 father of the last king
then go to his son domhnall spainneach mac murrough caomhanach 1595 to 1632
you will have the family
then come right down the ladder to john murphy born 1850 dublin,
which any good genealogy could find out for you,
is this any help with the murphy family

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Re: murphy family
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 July 14 17:01 BST (UK) »
Wow!
I have had trouble tracing my Murphy family as there are so many Murphy's.
My family is from the Midland/ Penetanguishene  area in Ontario, Canada, (Simcoe County).

My great grandfather was John Abbott Murphy-Engineer on big boats. b) 1874 Simcoe East.
He died 1914 on Dec 24 in an engine (boat) explosion in Simcoe, County , Ontario Canada at 40 yrs old  (no one in the family even knows where he is buried :(.
His parents -Edward Murphy 1845 and Mary Caroline Abbott-1852
John Abbott's- wife Maggie May Williams.
I believe Edward's parents were James Murphy and Hannah Walker and Mary's were Jane Rundell and John Abbott.
So many Murphy's, so little time. Any tips?

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Re: murphy family
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 July 14 16:20 BST (UK) »
i have been trying for sometime to findout more about my ancestors the murphy family from dublin,
i have gone back to 1901 census where we find the family living with a mrs greeg maria,
residents of a house 172 leeson park avenue (rathmines and rathgar east dublin.
where we find
kelly mary age 6 female grand child r,catholic,born dublin
greeg maria age 49 female head of house church of ireland,born county monaghan widow
murphy anne age 50 female servant c,catholic born county wicklow married
murphy john age 51 male stableman c,catholic ,born dublin married
murphy michael age 14 male,son scolar .c.catholic ,born blackrock dublin,
murphy thomas age 11 male,son scolar ,c.catholic born blackrock dublin
murphy patrick age 19 male,son scolar ,c.catholic,born blackrock dublin
murphy john age 25 male,son c,catholic van driver born black rock dublin,

now john murphy died 4th april 1901.mrs anne murphy informed glasnevin cemetry of his death ,buried in glasnevin cemetry
maria greeg died 1904 ,leaving her house leeson park avenue to be sold for her son henry greeg
so the murphy family had to move out of leeson park avenue,
next we find the family 1911 census, living at 1.2 westmoreland park (rathmines and  rathgar east,dublin,
without john murphy he had died leaving ann murphy a widow,
residents of a house 1.2 westmoreland park (rathmines and rathgar.east dublin
murphy peter age 39 male son ,grocer porter r.catholic born blackrock dublin,
murphy patrick age 28 male son general labourer ,r.catholic .born dublin.
murphy thomas age 21 male son grocer porter ,r.catolic ,born dublin
murphy ann.age 60 female head of house ,daley worker.r,catholic ,born county wicklow
kelly ginney age 16 female ,grand daughter,scolar r.catholic.born dublin
murphy dick age 16 male ,grandson.messenger boy,r.catholic born dublin,
murphy mary age 14 female granddaughter ,scolar ,born dublin,
murphy peter age 8 male grandson scolar,born dublin,
now john murphy died some where between 1901 -1911,
grave never found
ann murphy died after 1911,grave not found,marrige to john never found,
grand children kelly mary /ginney must be the same person,but there was no daughters who married a kelly ,
also peter murphy ,michael murphy ,john murphy never married thomas murphy married mary ann duffy in 1926,leaving only patrick murphy who was to young to be a parent to any of the grand children so there must have been more sons.
the irish genealogy sent me this message
now the murphy name only started when the son of the last king of leinster died ,he changed his name to murphy,as his real name was murrougha he just added y to murr,
so if yopu start at criomthann mac murrough caomhanach 1557 to 1582 father of the last king
then go to his son domhnall spainneach mac murrough caomhanach 1595 to 1632
you will have the family
then come right down the ladder to john murphy born 1850 dublin,
which any good genealogy could find out for you,
is this any help with the murphy family
as we allknow now,is thatthe very first time a murphy name was used is from the sons of the last king of leinster ,no murphys before that time,so everybody who does a murphy family tree will have the last kingof leinster in there tree,there must be hundreds of murphy family trees ,all recorded by a genealogy site ,so how many of themhavethelast king of leinster in them , andif they have and there tree is finished is it possible to see there tree as it could be ours,or part of ours,

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Re: murphy family
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 July 14 17:57 BST (UK) »
the irish genealogy sent me this message
now the murphy name only started when the son of the last king of leinster died ,he changed his name to murphy,as his real name was murrougha he just added y to murr,
so if yopu start at criomthann mac murrough caomhanach 1557 to 1582 father of the last king
then go to his son domhnall spainneach mac murrough caomhanach 1595 to 1632
you will have the family
then come right down the ladder to john murphy born 1850 dublin,
which any good genealogy could find out for you,
is this any help with the murphy family

Talking through their wallet IMHO, Murphy is the most common surname in Ireland and it's next to impossible to get back any further that the late 1800s with Irish records early 1700s if your very lucky.


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Re: murphy family
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 July 14 12:30 BST (UK) »
the irish genealogy sent me this message
now the murphy name only started when the son of the last king of leinster died ,he changed his name to murphy,as his real name was murrougha he just added y to murr,
so if yopu start at criomthann mac murrough caomhanach 1557 to 1582 father of the last king
then go to his son domhnall spainneach mac murrough caomhanach 1595 to 1632
you will have the family
then come right down the ladder to john murphy born 1850 dublin,
which any good genealogy could find out for you,
is this any help with the murphy family

Talking through their wallet IMHO, Murphy is the most common surname in Ireland and it's next to impossible to get back any further that the late 1800s with Irish records early 1700s if your very lucky.
but this is all in irish history of there kings,which states the changing of there names to murphy ,first murphy ever the last king of leinster died in1632  his two sons lived at blarney castle,1632,john murphy 1700 to 1770 better known as sean o.murchadha  na raithineach  was the last chief of the famous bards of blarney castle, so the murphy family lived in blarney castle from1600 to 1770,

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Re: murphy family
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 July 14 13:20 BST (UK) »
I talking about connecting recent Murphy families to the old line.
There is too many Murphys and not enough old records.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 July 14 14:57 BST (UK) »
I talking about connecting recent Murphy families to the old line.
There is too many Murphys and not enough old records.
yes i knowthis how do i know which murphy is mine,
but if the history records say that this was the very first murphy .i have to go by this
and if i have a brick wall in my family,it still stands that i come from the first murphy known
so i have to take it that the son of the last king of leinster,was related to me
i know there must be other surnames who have changed there names to murphy ,but as i dont know this about my own family i have to take it was murphy.
i have john murphy born 1700 died 1770 the last bard of blarney castle .and if you go before him there was daithi o murchu or david murphy,and if you go to blarney castel they have paintings of there family going right back ,and as the first one there 1620 was the sons of the king of lienster,who changed his name to murphy,gives you a little true history,
we knowalso from our history books that cromwell went to ireland wexford where the murphys farmed and took there farms away from them giving them all the land in tipperary .ballmore and cashel,then he sent for the Dunford family from Lancashire and Yorkshire to farm Wexford ,
but some murphys must have stayed and worked in dublin
so this was the big break up of the murphy clan
but the ones who stayed called them selves o morchoe chief of the murphy clan of wexford
now there is a lot in the history books,people say how do you know your a murphy,someonedowntheline might have changed there name to murphy,butbyou cant think this way you will not get anywhere,also they say there is 50 000 murphysw in ireland andmore then double that in america,they could not come from two men,but do alittle maths but before you start ,my wife garnd father had 6 sons ,her father had 5 sons,but her brother had 11 sons,so lets do some maths shall we and prove them all wrong
king of leinster
two sons 1620
each son had 8 children we nowv have16 children 1640
each child again had 8 children 16 x8 =58 1660
each child again had 8 children 58 x 8= 464 1680
each child again has 8 children  464 x 8 -3712 1700
each child again has 8 children 3712 x 8= 29696 1720
-----------------------------   29696 x 8 =237,568 1840
------------------------------ 237 568 x 8 = 1900544  1860
------------------------------1900544 x 8 = 15204352 1880
------------------------------15204352 x 8 = 121534816 1900  we have another 100 years
to go and we now have 121 million 534.816 more then enough murphys ,i know you cant count the women born as they lose there name in marraige,but i think we still have enough to prove that two men could have produced all these murphys,
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Re: murphy family
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 July 14 15:53 BST (UK) »
The ONLY way to trace family history is to track each generation backwards with documented evidence! ;D

Trying to connect to history books, some of which may be true, some of which are complete blarney, is just not going to work!

Put the hard graft in, and get as much documentary evidence as you can.
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 July 14 16:57 BST (UK) »
It doesn't matter if you can trace the Murphys back to Adam, if there is a gap in the records there is a gap in the records.
I know who the first person to use my surname was and his father and grandfather, and, I think, great grandfather as well but I don't know who my great x 5 grandfather was so I can't connect them therefore the first person to use my surname is not on my tree. I wish I could, I'll keep trying but it will be in hope not expectation.
If you can trace back, I'll be the first to congratulate you and I'd be delighted that some one had archived such a great tree but even if you did succeed that person shouldn't have said " than you come down the ladder to John Murphy born 1850 Dublin which any good genealogy could find for you"
It's unrealistic, for example there were 13,539 Murphy households recorded in Ireland in the 1850s in Griffith's Valuation, surviving Census Returns for individuals called Murphy in 1851 is 295. None of them are in Dublin.
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-surnames.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01892/
I wish you the very best of luck with your search.
You might find this board useful http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=385.0