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« on: Friday 11 July 14 12:28 BST (UK) »
I have to say that BT's are a bit of a mystery to me but I have some BMD's from the Bridgnorth BT's 1630's-40's that don't appear in the Bridgnorth PR's.
Believing that the Transcripts were taken from the Parish Registers I can't understand why they're not there.
Is there anyone with more knowledge of these things that can shed some light ?

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Re: bishops Transcripts
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 July 14 13:00 BST (UK) »
From 1598 incumbents were required to provide their diocesan bishop, or his equivalent, usually at Easter, with copies of the entries in the parish register covering the previous year. However in some cases the order was observed only sporadically, or they were not scrupulously maintained. Before 1812, bishops’ transcripts were usually recorded on loose pieces of paper. Following that year, the transcripts were recorded on the same preprinted forms as parish registers.

See https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/England_Church_Records#Bishop.27s_Transcripts
Bishop's transcripts should be an exact copy of the parish register but they often are not.  This may be because:
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Re: bishops Transcripts
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 July 14 18:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Stan.
The link does give reasons why some entries from the PR's didn't get into the BT's but not the other way round.
It's all a bit of a mystery.

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Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
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Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: bishops Transcripts
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 July 14 18:03 BST (UK) »
Have you checked to see if any dates are missing from the PRs? Could be indicative of damaged or missing pages. Maybe so simple as some pages got missed under microfilming.
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Re: bishops Transcripts
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 July 14 18:26 BST (UK) »
I did think of that but the answer's no there's nothing missing.

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Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 July 14 18:54 BST (UK) »
Sometimes the Bishop's transcripts may have been made first and then copied into the parish register before being sent to the bishop. The parish register was often not the original (first) record of the event, the information being first written temporarily on another piece of paper, and copied into the register days or months later. I've seen one parish register which is basically a bunch of scraps of paper held loosely together - in that case I don't think they bothered to copy them into a proper register.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 July 14 18:57 BST (UK) »
To add to the above comments, parish registers were often compiled from day-books. Those day-books that survive from large London/Middlesex parishes provide instructive points of comparison with the PRs and BTs.

It's clear from out-of-order entries found in some PRs that events were missed in the copying-up. As a result, there can be marked variations between PRs and BTs, especially before the pre-printed forms with numbering were introduced.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 July 14 19:02 BST (UK) »
One reason, though I am not saying it applies in this case is some vicars took the oppertunity to upgrade their parish registers by sending the Bishop the original register pages and keeping the "upgraded transcripts themselves.
Another reason is that some parish registers are transcripts of other registers, a few parishes have as many as three "original" parish registers, each slightly different from the next. (I don't mean the 1597 order that early registers written on paper were required to be copied to parchment, but later registers).
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 July 14 19:23 BST (UK) »
Those comments seem to make sense.
I do know there was a major fire in Bridgnorth during the Civil War & I'm thinking that some of the PR's whether loose leaf or in books were destroyed & new one's were copied from the BT's.
Certainly from 1642 the books are a lot neater & in order rather than the untidy scrawl as they are up to 1636.

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/