John Jones

[Waen]

   
    The first evidence I have of Robert Jones is in the 1851census, reference number is HO 107/2505.It doesn't state where he is living,but on the 1861 census he was living in Waen. in Aberwheeler,ref number RG 9/4294.Hope this is of some help.he and Mary Evans got married in Bodfari 1843. Hope this is some help in finding his father
Thanks again.
Waen

[avm228]

Hi Waen - census references are great but Rootchatters will need full refs including piece, folio and page in order to use them.

The full reference for the family in 1861 is RG9/4294/33/13.

[avm228]

Interestingly for 1851 what appears in this case is the householder's schedule, signed by him, rather than the enumerator's summary which is all that survives for most of the population for all censuses before 1911.

Indexed slightly differently therefore: HO107/2505 folio 399.

[hiraeth]

Hello Waen

The Robert Jones on the 1851 census reference you quoted is married to a Prudence Jones.  I tracked down the second marriage certificate (Jan 23 1860 Bodfari, Flintshire) which indicates that this Robert's father was an Abel Jones occupation labourer.

[avm228]

There is more than one Robert Jones in HO107/2505 but the one I gave the reference to, at 399, had a wife Mary 33 and children Edwin 7, Richard 5 and Sofiah 2.

[Waen]

Avm228
I am almost 100% sure that this is them.My Dad's second name was Edwin and I know he had uncle Edwin and an aunt Sophia.Also,Richard was most probably named after Mary's father Richard.My grandad was David Jones.On the 1861 census Roberts occupation is down as NAILER and I can remember as a kid my Dad telling me that his grandad was known as "Jones the nail".Dad William,Grandad Robert and great grandma Mary were all born in Waen Cottage Aberwheeler
Waen.

[osprey]

not getting any further at the mo, but the details from the parish entry for the marriage show both Robert & Mary as 26, his residence Denbigh, father John a sawyer, he marked, her residence Waen father Richard a labourer, she signed, witnesses David Roberts & Robert Jones.

[Waen]

Osprey
It is good to see all those names in the one paragraph.
Do you have a date of Robert and Mary's marriage?.I am going to send off for a copy of their marriage certificate and it would help if I knew the date.At the moment I just have which quarter they were married.
I feel as though I am now starting to get somewhere.Finger's crossed.

[osprey]

the date was 15 July 1843. You don't need the date to order just the GRO ref. If you are ordering, get any certs from the GRO. Other sites charge much more.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

The parish entry is available online via FamilySearch and look for Flintshire records. You can then access the details via a pay to view site. The details will be the same as the cert & in the original writing.

I've searched for Robert on the 1841 census in Denbigh, his residence at the time of marriage. There are several Roberts, but not one is a nailer so far. I've looked for a baptism in Denbigh around the time of his birth, again several Roberts, but not one whose father John is a sawyer. There are a couple with father John a labourer, but I have a large family of sawyers in my tree & they do show as sawyer on parish records & census entries.