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Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« on: Wednesday 16 July 14 15:05 BST (UK) »
Any information re Timb(e)ys in Philadelphia 1850s + or Ireland 1840+ with names John, Robert, Wiliam?
Believe they were boot/shoe makers and later printers.
 Debbie

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Re: Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 July 14 18:39 BST (UK) »
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could Robert have gone back home from Philadelphia ??
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Re: Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 July 14 22:39 BST (UK) »
Hi- that Robert was born in Belfast - my greatgreatgrandfather. His uncles - Samuel, john and William are thise I believe who went from Belfast to Philadelphia. Thanks for your interest.
Debbie

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Re: Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 July 14 23:09 BST (UK) »
Hallo, Debbie

Do you have approximate birth years for any of your Timbeys?  A birth year for Robert would narrow down possible birth years for his uncles.  The USA 1860 census has Timbey, Timby and Temby - some might fit with your family but I cannot rule any in or out without more information?

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Re: Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 July 14 12:47 BST (UK) »
Philip
Thanks for your reply. The name appears as Timbey, Timby. Tembey and even Tinbey on US Census returns!!
It was these census returns that alerted me to the possibility that John Tembey/Timbey  1870 census including Thomas and Samuel were related. Their occupation is given as shoemakers and the earliest John Timby I have traced through Belfast Directories was in 1841 a boot and shoemaker.
I have a query re the 1870 in that there appears to be a 2nd enumeration in which John Temby is aged 45 (not 49) and William 43 (not 45). Other names do not appear to be listed = George G Timbey - can you explain??
I cannot find John etc on any passenger lists arriving in Pennsylvania.
My Greatgreatgrandfather Robert James Timbey was born 1842 and appears with his siblings Samuel (1832) Agnes (1829) Mary (1827) and Fanny (1824) on the Baptismal records of St. Anne's Church (later Cathedral), Belfast.
The name Timbey is not common and in fact will die out soon in Northern Ireland as my mother's 2 brothers did not have children and my Grandfather John Cecil Timbey had 2 sisters.
Thanks again for the interest.
Debbie



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Re: Timbey family - Ireland and USA
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 July 14 12:55 BST (UK) »
Re the 1870 Philadelphia Census - 

It would seem that in 1870 there were two census enumerations taken in Philadelphia. The index to the first enumeration is Philadelphia, PA 1870 Census Index. 929.3748 P53p. Look at the addenda in the front of this index for Wards 27 and 28. There is no index to the second enumeration. There are, however, descriptions on microfilm of many of the second enumeration boundaries. These boundaries are also shown graphically in a series of drawings at the Map Department.
Apparently the 1870 census was filmed twice. The second filming (2nd) is listed first and is usually easier to read. However, since some of the records were faded
or lost between the first and second filmings, it is best to search the first filming
(1st) whenever the material on the second filming (2nd) is too light to
read


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stephan/research.aids/1870.html

The instances where there was a second enumeration usually were the result of local officials challenging the accuracy of the results of the first count. These challenges were fairly common in localities which were rapidly growing or changing. Most such challenges were turned down by the census officials and/or the courts but some did result in additional enumerations.

There are apparently 2 versions of the 1870 NYC Federal Census that are listed as 1 st and second enumerations. In 1870, enumerators failed to record addresses in New York City. Addresses serve the same purpose for census officials as citations for genealogists. Without documentation, census officials could not refute allegations that households had been missed. Census superintendent Francis A. Walker ordered a recount. (Recounts were also made in Philadelphia and Indianapolis.3) These recounts are known as the 1870 Second Enumeration. The first enumeration occurred in June 1870 and the second about six months later.

http://ancestryinsider.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/darned-second-enumerations.html   

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