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Offline christine66

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No Birth Certificate but must have had a baptism certificate to marry
« on: Sunday 20 July 14 03:21 BST (UK) »
My Grandfather Edward John O'Keefe stated on his certificate to enable him to marry my Grandmother that he was born in Faythe, Wexford Ireland, to parents William O'Keefe a Butcher and Mary Gibney in approximately 1892. I have checked with Dublin GRO and no record of his birth being registered. What does a baptism certificate look like in Ireland, or could he have been baptised in another place, ie Liverpool?

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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 July 14 04:20 BST (UK) »

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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 July 14 04:59 BST (UK) »
hi,,who did he marry,,and where?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 July 14 05:06 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat christine.

I think you need to know his religion, and perhaps contact the local parish church in Faythe to see if they hold baptismal records.

There are some Irish records here:
https://familysearch.org/search

He would not have needed a birth certificate in order to marry.

Have you located him with his family in the 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
(It may confirm place of birth)
Reading between the lines, I am guessing that the family ended up in Liverpool? Did your grandfather grow up there? Did he have siblings born in Ireland or Liverpool? Have you located their births or baptisms, as your grandfather may have been baptised in the same church.

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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 July 14 05:11 BST (UK) »
there is this okeefe family living at the Faythe in 1901,,,,father is William,,,but no Mary...and no Edward.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/The_Faythe/1807795/
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 July 14 05:16 BST (UK) »
Where did your grandfather marry your grandmother, and what is the document you have that gives this information about his parents and place of birth?

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Re: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT MUST HAD HAD A BAPTISM CERTIFICATE TO MARRY
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 July 14 06:17 BST (UK) »
My Grandparents married in Holy Rosary Church in Kensington,Victoria,Australia, on the weddding details or certificate it states Birthplace as Faythe,Wexford Ireland his occupation was a seaman and his parents names were William O'Keefe Occupation Butcher, his mothers name was Mary Gibney

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Re: No Birth Certificate but must have had a baptism certificate to marry
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 July 14 07:05 BST (UK) »
So it is the marriage certificate you have. I thought you said it was a certificate which enabled them to marry, hence my confusion and the question.  :-\

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Re: No Birth Certificate but must have had a baptism certificate to marry
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 July 14 07:27 BST (UK) »
The 'John' is crossed out in the name column of the marriage cert and he signed 'Edward O'KEEFE'.  Was this alteration on the original scan from the Victorian BDM?

Looks like he applied to enlist in 1917 but there is no service record that I can see, so it would seem he was rejected for some reason.  You can have that document digitised through the NAA as it might give more information.  He gave his age as 28.

Search for the words - Edward O'Keefe Wenford Ireland - (Wexford misspelled).
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

Here is an example of what it may look like, and some also include the same as the first few attestation pages of a service record.  http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/6516052/

Debra  :)
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