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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #9 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:08 BST (UK) »
Eliza's birthplace is Cowfold per 1851 (enumerator's schedule).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowfold

Since she's unmarried in the 1851 census and on William's 1851 baptism I'd think a baptism for her in surname Howis (or variants) most likely.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:08 BST (UK) »
Just spotted this
Eliza Howse bapt 1.2.1830 to William and Sylvester at Cowfield on Familysearch.
Siblings James 8.7.1832 Albourne and Abraham 5.2.1837 Ardingley.

Eliza and James in Cuckfield workhouse 1841 census
? older sister Sylvester age 15 also there.
Sylvester Howes died June 1838 Cuckfield 7 229

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:16 BST (UK) »
Another possible child for William & Sylvester (as HOWE):

Abraham, 1837: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QJD6-BDQ2

Oops - sorry, ciderdrinker had already found him :-[
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:25 BST (UK) »
Just found this

Baptised at Cowfold

Eliza Howse
1 Feb 1830
Daughter of William & Slyvester Howse

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Married at Islip,Oxfordshire

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:34 BST (UK) »
I agree that James was in the Union Workhouse, but I would like verification of father's name and town, age etc. I have looked through a number of sources, such as 1841 and 1851 census for Sussex area, finding Eliza and child James, but not youngest child, William. The record I found Eliza's sentence at Lewes assizes, mentioned that she was arrested with her husband James and father William but no surnames were given, making me wonder whether it was her father or husband's father. The other interesting thing about tracking this couple is that I was able to get much more information about Eliza as a female convict, what happened to her in Tasmania etc. But both her first husband, a convict, and eventual husband in Tasmania, were so much harder to find.

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 July 14 12:53 BST (UK) »
Eliza and James in Cuckfield workhouse 1841 census
? older sister Sylvester age 15 also there.
Sylvester Howes died June 1838 Cuckfield 7 229

Ciderdrinker

I can only see Silvester Howes in 1841 at the workhouse.

The Silvester Howis death in 1838 is Cuckfield registration district, (which includes Cowfold) not Cuckfield parish.

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 July 14 13:19 BST (UK) »
I agree that James was in the Union Workhouse, but I would like verification of father's name and town, age etc.

As previously mentioned, you will need the birth certificates for details of the births.  Index details have been given earlier in the thread. However, Eliza is unmarried in the 1851 census and a single woman on William's 1851 baptism, so it appears the boys were born out of wedlock and in those circumstances the father is very unlikely to be named on the birth certificate.

At Eliza's trial she was Eliza Howis alias Brooks, and a police superintendent gave evidence that he had "found some property upon prisoner Howis, and also in a barn in which she had resided with Brooks".

The first name of the male "Brooks" is not stated in the report (her fellow accused were James Edward(e)s, his wife Sarah Edward(e)s, and a James Gulvin alias Bull).

It is possible that the man with whom she lived in the barn was William Brooks, 30, who was on trial at the same Assizes for a different burglary, this one at Uckfield. His trial report mentions his organising a rendezvous at a barn between Leigh and Betchworth, though it does not say that he lived in the barn.  He was convicted of burglary and sentenced to transportation for life.

(Sussex Advertiser, 18 March 1851).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 July 14 13:41 BST (UK) »
Baby William is likely to be the William "Harris" born Burwash, 2 months old, prisoner's child, listed at Lewes prison on the page immediately after Eliza's enumeration page in 1851.  Howis might easily have been mistakenly changed to Harris.

The Burwash birthplace matches the Burwash baptism found for William in February 1851, earlier in the thread (reply #7).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: marriage of William Howis to Eliza, Sussex, abt. 1847
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 September 15 11:49 BST (UK) »
I see from the surgeon's journal of the relevant voyage that Eliza, James (3) and William (1) all suffered from dysentery during their time on board.  Eliza and William recovered but James died on 17 Jan 1852.

Can you please tell me where the surgeon's journals are to be found for different voyages?

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