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Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« on: Tuesday 05 August 14 15:42 BST (UK) »
My family tree has lead back to this lady from Canonbie, from census I have parents as James (1792 Canonbie) and Mary (1798 England), she has a sister Mary whose wedding cert is on ancestry giving as Mary Young as the mother this then agress with baptism for Elizabeth.

Mary Young born in England around 1798 gives way too many possibilties so might be a dead end.

James Dickson/Dixson/Dixson around 1792 in Canonbie is not that straight forward either, there seem to be a number of James Dicksons born around that time in Canonbie.

I think it is one of;

James Dixon (1792) - parents - James Dixon and Elizabeth (Betty) Knox.
James Dixon (1791) - parents - James Dixon and Mary Ershman/Earshman/Ershment.
James Dixon (1795) - parents - Simon Dixon and Mary Tinning.

Any one of these James could have married Mary Young, but which...

For a little more fog, James Dixon and Mary Young seemed to get married twice, there is one in Langholm in 1809 (a bit early) and another in Canonbie in 1828 (a bit late).

I think the second marriage is the right one, the census shows children Robert and Sarah in 1821 and 1826, then James in 1829, my guess that Robert and Sarah are children of James brother, the James and Elizabeth pairing has a Robert in 1789, then dads name was used for the first born boy.

I have just about convinced myself, but cannot help thinking there are plenty of James Dixsons around, is there a specialist here, with a good family tree for this lot?

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 17:05 BST (UK) »
Have you checked James' death cert to see what names are given for his parents?

 'In memory of James DIXON joiner who died at Hollinhirst 23rd Febry 1862 aged 69 years...'

Wife Mary Young died in 1867?

'Also of Mary YOUNG wife of the above James DIXON who died 19th Octr 1867...' 

www.longtown19.co.uk/canonbie_churchyard_c___g.56.html#Canonbie%20Churchyard)?

I can't see the full transcript of the gravestone, but looks like a photo may be available of this stone.

Images for the two death certs will be available on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 18:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica,

Excellent info, I wonder why now I google it and get the same info, but did not before?

I cannot work out the photos, it seems to say look in album 6 but there are only 3.

It is a shame that James was first in the grave, so parents are still unclear, I will search the other bits on that site.

If it is the right lot, I will not find Elizabeths grave on that site, she died in NZ.

I have not tried scotlandpeople, it seems to have unbounded costs with no guarantee of success, hopefully ancestry will buy them.

Could I ask a cheeky second question? The marriage that links ED into my tree is one that crept in from the 'family tree' feature, I cannot find this one - is it something obvious to you?

    William Pringle Marriage to Elizabeth Dickson
    1848 23 Jun Age: 24
    Teviothead, Roxburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom

Thanks

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 18:23 BST (UK) »
Chris, have to admit, I am a HUGE fan of Scotlands People  ;) The problem with all pay to view sites is if you are going in blind, searching for people with very little detail. it can then become expensive with numerous wrong certs (  :'( as I know, from my early days).

However, you have specific dates for the likely deaths of James Dixon and Mary Young. The units/credit you buy on SP last for a year before becoming inactive, until you buy some more. For 7GB you will get 30 credits. It will cost 6 credits each for the two death certs, leaving you with 18 more credits for another time. Good/great value  :) English/Welsh BMD certs cost each 9.25  ::) v. 1.40 for Scotland (up to certain cut offs). Promo over  ;D

I have tried to find other people for you researching this family line, but not really seeing anything that will add to the info/tree you already have so far...

I think the photos available on the site I linked are available for free (?). I could see at least 2 albums/800+ photos on these. Too many to go through really individually. You could email and make enquiries?

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 10:10 BST (UK) »
I might take the plunge on scotlandpeople I have a few ancestors in Scotland where I know a lot of detail, but I got the impression they use credits for anything more than a surname search.

I put all the Dixon/Dickson BMDs from the cemetery inscriptions into a small family tree on ancestry ("Dixon/Dickson family in the Canonbie cemetery") to make sense of it.

From this I can see that James Dixon and Mary Young were parents of kids from 1820 to 1840 certainly physically possible, however it makes the 2 marriage entries more mysterious.

One was too early (either married in early teens or had kids into 50s) and one is too late (maybe he was already married and first couple for Mary Young were from a long term affair). Neither scenario sounds likely.



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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 14:09 BST (UK) »

    William Pringle Marriage to Elizabeth Dickson
    1848 23 Jun Age: 24
    Teviothead, Roxburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom


Sorry, Chris, missed your comment yesterday.

I cannot see this marriage showing on the Old Parish Registers (OPRs) for marriages. Remember, this is all before the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855.

However, there are two possible sources for this info. 1855 and the first year of official registration had the registrations of BMDs running over two pages of the registers. This was cut back by 1856. William and Elizabeth look to have had an 1855 birth https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ2M-9VP (unnamed, maybe baby died soon after?). For 1855 birth certs, this should include date and place of parents' marriage, and lots of other great info relating to parents such as age and place of birth of parents, etc. This info was not included from 1856 until the early 1860s, when parents' date and place of marriage was re-introduced on the birth registrations.

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 14:39 BST (UK) »
Excellent idea, not on my direct line but perhaps good clues.

I believe it was Francis who was still around 20 years later, I had not found his birth record before so I think it is him rather than a twin who died immediately.

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 15:55 BST (UK) »
I thought I would have a go at the scottishpeople website.

So I entered
  Statutory births
  Forename = ""
  Surname = Pringle
  Dates = 1855-1869
That got 949 hits

So I filtered by Dickson - 1 hit
by Dixon - 0 hits

I narrowed it down to Ross and Cromarty - that wiped out the hit I had.

There should be 7 kids in that range.

I experimented with * as a forename and got nowhere.

Have you any idea what I did wrong?

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Re: Elizabeth Dickson (1829-1885)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 16:21 BST (UK) »
I think I get it, the basic search does not like me

Doing it the adv way gets 6 hits in Ross and Cromarty.

Surname:Pringle && (regyear:1855 || regyear:1858 || regyear:1862 || regyear:1860 || regyear:1864)