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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 23 August 14 01:06 BST (UK) »
The web site "Find a grave" did have a picture of a monument in City Wilkes Barre cemetery for Helen Williams:  Born 1939 died June 14 1887.

It is a very old monument:  There are no other names or dates on the grave marker.

Well, I do know there are some "older women" who have change of life babies.  Maybe she is one.  She would have been 47 yrs. when Isaac was born.

Well, the cemetery has not called me back yet.  So.....
Have a pleasant evening.
Ireland:  Langan, Langham
Wales:  Williams, Jones, Evans, Bembo, Hill
Slovakia:  Hudack
Pennsylvania USA: Langan, Williams, Hill, Bembo
New York: USA: Fergueson, Lee, Dineen
Philliphines:  LeGarda
Scotland:  Lockhardt

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 23 August 14 10:37 BST (UK) »
I still think the best way forward is trying to find the births of the 2 sons particularly as Daniel didn't know her name & the only way Isaac would have known would have been through his step-mother Susannah & she may have been wrong.
I've gone back to your first couple of posts & I'm focusing on these:
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Elizabeth Evans married a Thomas Bembo
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I did run across a few thomas Williams marrying a lady by name of Sarah Benbow (I believe Sarah was the daughter of Elizabeth and Thomas Bembo.)
Can you tell me a bit more ? Did these events occur in Wales or USA?
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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 23 August 14 12:47 BST (UK) »
I think the dec qtr 1885 birth reg for Isaac Williams could be a different family. There's a baptism in the parish church of Ystradyfodwg 8 Sept 1885 for Isaac son of William & Margaret Williams. His date of birth is on the baptism - 22 August 1885, but there's no birth reg for him in sept qtr, so possibly registered right at the end of the 6 week period allowed & therefore in dec qtr.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 23 August 14 13:46 BST (UK) »
this looks to be Susan(nah) Evans with remarried mother in 1881 census
40 Brynwyndham Terrace, Ystadyfodwg RG11/5300 folio 81 pg 56
Thomas Bembo head mar 34 coal miner b. Tenbury, Herefordshire
Elizabath wife 45 b. Dowlais, Glamorgan
Isaac Evans stepson 22 coal miner b. Aberdare, Glamorgan
Margaret A Evans stepdaughter 19 housemaid b. Aberdare
Susan Evans stepdaughter 15 b. Llangynid, Breconshire
John Bembo son 16 coal miner b. Llangynid
Thomas son 13 b. Llangynid
Sarah J dau 12 b. Llangynid
Elizabeth dau 7 b. Langynid
John Morgan boarder widower 39 coal miner b. Llangynid
William Bessell boarder 26 b. Abercarne, Monmouthshire

possible marriage reg
Thomas Benbow sept qtr 1865 Bedwellty vol 11a pg 136 with Elizabeth Evans on the samepage
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 23 August 14 14:12 BST (UK) »
the births of the Bembo children were registered at Crickhowell which covered Llangynidr. John was registered june qtr 1866, so it could be that the ages for Susan & John on the 1881 census are the wrong way round.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 23 August 14 16:18 BST (UK) »
That is exactly the same information on the Evans/Bembo family that I have.
Elizabeth: (possible maiden name Harriman- not positive )
Eliz Evans:  1st spouse:  Richard Evans
Richard Evans: b: 1840  Wales d: unknown
2nd: Husband:  Thomas Bembo b: 1874  D: Scranton USA January 19, 1918


Richard Evans:  b 1840  D USA Scranton:  1918 (one of the family addresses:North Bromley Avenue Scranton Pa)
Elizabeth:  B: 1842  D Scranton Pa USA  March 23,1915

children:
Margaret A Evans
Isaac Evans
Susannah Evans

Thomas Bembo & Elizabeth raised the following children:
John Bembo, Sarah J Bembo, Elizabeth Bembo:  Issac Evans, Margaret Evans and Susannah Evans

Elizabeth - Evans - Bembo died in Scranton Pa March 23, 1915
Wonderful to get affirmation on info.
thanks


 
Ireland:  Langan, Langham
Wales:  Williams, Jones, Evans, Bembo, Hill
Slovakia:  Hudack
Pennsylvania USA: Langan, Williams, Hill, Bembo
New York: USA: Fergueson, Lee, Dineen
Philliphines:  LeGarda
Scotland:  Lockhardt

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 23 August 14 16:21 BST (UK) »
postscript:
I know in the past, I have found documentation of Thomas marrying Sarah J. Bembo.?
Don't remember exactly where in Wales.   The names, Williams, Jones, Evans, are so common and confusing.
Ireland:  Langan, Langham
Wales:  Williams, Jones, Evans, Bembo, Hill
Slovakia:  Hudack
Pennsylvania USA: Langan, Williams, Hill, Bembo
New York: USA: Fergueson, Lee, Dineen
Philliphines:  LeGarda
Scotland:  Lockhardt

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 23 August 14 17:26 BST (UK) »
looks like Richard was born rather earlier than 1840 & had been married before, & Thomas Bembo looks to have been born around 1846, not 1874.

1861 census
18 Brew Street, Fforchaman, Aberdare RG9/4065 folio 26 pg 46
Richard Evans head mar coal miner b. Merthyr
Elizabeth wife 26 b. Merthyr
Jane dau 14 b. Gellygare
Benjamin son 13 coal miner b. Gellygare
Mary dau 4 b. Aberdare
Isaac son 12 months b. Aberdare

marriage registration
Richard Evans june qtr 1855 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 488 with Elizabeth Herriman on the same page
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Williams Family Rhonda Valley Wales: Father: Thomas b:abt 1850: Sons: Daniel b:
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 23 August 14 18:22 BST (UK) »
Don't really put much validation in the maiden name of Harriman for Elizabeth Evans Bembo
Children don't match up and ages don't match up.

Question:  How can you get documentation from Wales when you may have volume and page #???

Also:
I have found a Thomas Williams that was on a ship's manifest traveling to Scranton, Pennsylvania and had a wife (Sarah J Bembo of Rhondda Watergalt.)

He seems to be traveling with two other gents:  Arthur Lockley (occupation: barber) 9 Arthr? Rd Ystadd, Rhondda
and
David (Davies) W. Longher (occupation: electrician) his father's address 21 Bryn Terrace, Ystadd Rhondda Wales.
They were traveling on the SS Campia on September 11 1909.  So this year (1909) leads me to believe it is not the correct Thomas Williams - ??? what do you think?
Ireland:  Langan, Langham
Wales:  Williams, Jones, Evans, Bembo, Hill
Slovakia:  Hudack
Pennsylvania USA: Langan, Williams, Hill, Bembo
New York: USA: Fergueson, Lee, Dineen
Philliphines:  LeGarda
Scotland:  Lockhardt