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Offline Marie Mcintosh

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Liverpool Family
« on: Saturday 23 August 14 17:35 BST (UK) »
My Mother never told me much about her family.  When I started Family History, I was using Scotlandspeople site.  I paid £12.00 to use the computer in Glasgow.  I could find my Mother but no relations to her.  When I told the assistant, she said they couldn't have been born in Scotland, which to my knowledge they all lived in Glasgow.  Someone in one of my local libraries said she would look for me.  Our library  delivery came next morning with an e-mail,  it said, Marie, you'll never believe what I found when I started work this morning, on the top sheet was my Mothers family, my friend was putting the Poor Law paperwork on to the computer.  The paperwork said that my family were all born in Liverpool, my Gran was brought there, but they had to move to Scotland in 1926 due to the general strike.  This meant every time she fell pregnant, she went down to her Mum in Liverpool to have her babies.

I've found out some info. on them but I would like to know what school they went to.  Their address was 54 J or Tonville Road, Walton, Liverpool.  I've been trying to find out where they were buried.  I've been down to their house and there is a graveyard at the bottom of their Street.  My Great Gran was called Emmeline Britton nee Fenner.  She died 1941.  Married to Thomas Britton. No d.o.death for him.  If I've given you too much info to work with, just let me know.  Emmeline d.o.b.was 1866.  I've got so many things to ask, but until I get these questions, I'll be stuck at 1866.  I'm going to try your site and see how I get on.Many thanks for the use of you site.  I joined it a long time ago, but found it too complicated, but although it's a much bigger site now, I seem to find it quite manageable.

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 August 14 18:36 BST (UK) »
Hello Marie and welcome  :)

I am sure you will get lots of help here.

Here is a likely death for Thomas -Liverpool March 1937 vol 8b pg 488
Thomas Britton 70 yrs

The address you have, is that from Emmeline's death certificate?  She seems to use Emma as her name.

Do you have the family in censuses? Or do you just want to find the cemetery? The family are in Scotland in 1901 and back in Liverpool in 1911. Unfortunately, we can't post any 1911 information due to copyright reasons.

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 August 14 19:41 BST (UK) »
Welcome Marie from me too :)

She was baptised as Emma Fenner on 15.07.1866 at St Peter, Liverpool, dau of James (labourer) & Jane, of Everton.

Birthdate given as 27.06.1866.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 August 14 07:38 BST (UK) »
possible Siblings of Emma Fenner

Baptism: 16 Apr 1855 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Fenna - [Child] of James Fenna & Jane
    Born: 2 Apr 1855
    Abode: Dryden St.
    Occupation: Shipwright
Baptism: 15 Mar 1857 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Fenner - [Child] of James Fenner & Jane
    Abode: Grenville St
    Occupation: Shipwright
Baptism: 17 Jul 1859 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Fenner - [Child] of James Fenner & Jane
    Born: 19 Jun 1859
    Abode: Penrhyn St
    Occupation: Pitch Boiler
Baptism: 26 Jun 1864 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Fenner - [Child] of James Fenner & Jane
    Born: 25 May 1864
    Abode: Everton
    Occupation: Labourer

James and Jane marriage
Marriage: 27 Jan 1852 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Bell Fenner - (X), Minor, Shipwright, Bachelor, Lumber St  ...****  under age
Jane Hall - (X), Minor, Spinster, Dryden St           ..... *****   under age
    Groom's Father: John Fenner, Sawyer
    Bride's Father: George Hall, Book Keeper
    Witness: William Cork; Sarah Oliphant

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......†† sacht,helgoland† .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..† jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford


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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 August 14 08:10 BST (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat

Strange - there is a marriage online on 3 Jan 1890 at Holy Trinity Church in Liverpool of Thomas Britten age 23 Plumber with father Robert Britten Engineer to Emmaline Hall age 23 Spinster father James Hall carpenter.

The details of Thomas Britten match the Thomas Britton living with Emma/Emmaline and the Fenner family in 1891 in Kirkdale, Liverpool as below and listed as son-in-law, but I wonder why Emmaline's surname is listed as Hall??

James Finner 62 b Livepool Pitch Boiler
Jane Finner 60
Joseph Finner 16 son
James Finner 15 grandson
William Finner 5 grandson
Thomas Britton 24 son in law Liverpool  Plumber
Emma Britton 23 daughter b Liverpool
Jane Britton 2 granddaughter

It looks like Emma/line married using her mother's maiden name as I think this is her parents marriage in 1952 from the Lancashire Parish Clerks Online Project http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html  - Garstonite has just posted this marriage

This looks like James Fenner in 1841 living with his mother and possibly stepfather were his middle name of Bell may have come from.  Living in Liverpool and listed as not born in Lancashire

James Bell 50
Ann Bell 50
John Bell 15
James Fenner 10
Sarah Fenner 2

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 August 14 08:22 BST (UK) »
Her mothers maiden name was Hall .......
James Fenner was a Shpwright ....a ships Carpenter
so if he got fed up going to sea - he could have become  a Carpenter on land at the time of Emmas marriage
but he spent a certain amount of time as a Pitch Boiler - presumably Road Tar on the roads of Liverpool - working at home instead of at sea and probably better money ...
I wonder if James Fenner had money problems and changed his name to his wifes maiden name Hall ??
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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 August 14 08:31 BST (UK) »
I wonder whether Emma's use of a different name upon marriage to Thomas is connected in some way with an apparent earlier marriage for Emma (aged 17) to James Gilman at St Mary's Kirkdale on 25 Feb 1883?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 24 August 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
The father of Emma is listed as James Fenner at the 1883 marriage but the husband I think has been mistranscribed and it is was James Gimour on FreeBMD and an LDS list of the marriages of the church records http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Liverpool/St.Mary-marr-1874-1883.txt

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Re: Liverpool Family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 August 14 15:07 BST (UK) »
Yes I see. Listed as Gilmour.

That is interesting because if I recall correctly a James Gilmour born mid-1880s appeared as a "nephew" with the Brittons in Govan in 1901.

Just checked - yes he was 15 b England.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)