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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
Shaun, that find is brilliant  ;) Just looking at one main tree on a/try with a wealth of additional info relating to his military career starting from attesting in Glasgow in 1830.

From all links and details there, the 1809 birth we had from earlier looks to be incorrect as it seems to be that he was born on 13 Dec 1812 in South Leith to a John Bishop and Jane Henderson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3G-BPX Further siblings show on Family Search. Their marriage in 1810 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYMD-NJ2

iwccc, you too have a tree on a/try which will let you review this info found by Shaun.

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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 15:08 BST (UK) »
The one who attested in Glasgow in 1830 is a different person I think. John Bishop from North Leith attested in Edinburgh in 1829. He said then that he was aged 20.
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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 15:21 BST (UK) »
Could there have been two?! The same tree has:

John Bishop, aged 20 at attestation. Born c. 1809 in Nt Leith, Midlothian
Military Date: 10 Dec 1829 and Unit: 91st Foot Soldiers, Depot.
Source: Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900

John Bishop, aged 18 at attestation. Born abt 1812 in Leigh (sic.) Edinburgh
Attestation Date 29 Jun 1830 in Glasgow
Regimental Number: 756
Source: Canada, British Army Regimental Rolls of Non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers, 1806-1892

Needs to be gone through in detail, particularly as we have different births/parents for each of these John Bishops.
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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 15:38 BST (UK) »
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we have different births/parents for each of these John Bishops
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Actually we don't really know whether either of the baptisms is right.

Army numbers: the one from North Leith was 634 in 91st Foot, discharged 1852. The one who attested in 1830 in Glasgow was 756 in 78th Foot (as far as I can make it out ) and was discharged in 1834.

Just a word of warning about those so-called "Canada" military records on Ancestry. In my experience they don't necessarily have any connection with Canada.


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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 15:53 BST (UK) »
You are good at these types of records, Shaun. I get lost sometimes with these kinds of entries  :P

The best place now I would have thought would be to try to get to see/order the birth found by you earlier

There's an army birth for a James McK. Bishop in 1841 in St Helena. 91st Regiment. volume 182, page 9.

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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 18:13 BST (UK) »
I am running out...and late as always  :P But, just wanted to add this info.

I think the John Bishop, son of John and Jane Henderson, may still have been around Scotland and as such we can eliminate him from what we are looking at. Needs to be confirmed via death cert, assuming he may have died in Scotland.

This is 1841:

John Bishop 28 Meals Dealer Shopman
Margaret Bishop 28
Thomas Bishop 2
John Bishop 36 Months https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTTQ-HR2

Address: St Anchea Street Fox Lane, South Leith

I think this couple is John Bishop and Margaret Tyrie. One of their children is a daughter called Jane Henderson Bishop (the John born in 1812, his mother was Jane Henderson). Children show for this couple on Family Search.

Such interesting families, sigh, want to look more now  ;)

http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/bbs/learning/bryohistory/Bygone%20Bryologists/JOHN%20BISHOP%20DUNCAN.pdf  This looks to be a grandson of John Bishop and Margaret Tyrie, son of Margaret Tyrie Bishop.

I am hopeful that John Bishop's DC, born 1812, is likely to be found post 1855. Will look more later... If we can properly eliminate him, we can focus better on the John Bishop born 1809.

The family seem to be in Dalkeith, going by the children's entries, by 1851.

Will try and do more later.

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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 03 September 14 23:12 BST (UK) »
Ok...followed through on the John Bishop born at the end of December 1812 in Leith, son of John Bishop and Jane Henderson. By chance, John Snr here was also a Chelsea Pensioner.

However, this John b. 1812 remained in Scotland and married Margaret Tyrie. He died in Glasgow at the age of 80 in 1893. Parents as above. Will & Testament also available for him on SP.

So that closed the door on him....

Back to John Bishop born 1809, son of William Bishop and Helen Maxwell  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTTW-HBM

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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 September 14 13:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica L & Shaun J,
Just wanted you to know how much I appreciate the help you are giving me.   I am overwhelmed with all the information. 
As you can see by my posts I am having trouble jumping from -- James McKay Bishop (b. 1841 (in St.Helena or Cape Colony)  and died in South Africa  1887- married to Mary Elizabeth Venables) to the next generation i.e. his father.  Does any of the information you have researched show a son called 'James McKay Bishop"?  I must admit, I am somewhat confused at present - need a clearer mind to take it all on board - maybe a rested mind in the  morning will help!!  Looking forward to working it through.  Have you got it clear in your minds?  Thanks again. Cheers from Australia

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Re: Scots leaving for South Africa
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 September 14 13:11 BST (UK) »
The thing to do as Monica suggests is to order the birth certificate for that James McK. Bishop born St Helena in 1841, and take it from there.


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