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[Mole]

May be your man? Reference on NAAIRS.
DEPOT     KAB                                                                   
SOURCE    CO                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 8610                                                                 
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE 22                                                                   
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          APPLICATION FOR LETTERS OF NATURALIZATION. ABRAHAM FRANKEL.           
STARTING  1904                                                                 
ENDING    1905             

[loish711]

Hi All,
I'm trying to search for a friend's father born Pongola, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa in 1924
His name was Johannes Marthinus Palmer. I have his marriage certificate and death but we are unable to find his birth. We specifically would like to push the research back at least another generation.
Thanks,
Lois

[Gillian Mauchan]

Presumably you know his Identity Number, you could apply for a vault copy of his birth certificate which would have his parents listed. This may take some time and would depend on the department finding it.
What religion was he - I see that their children were baptised in the NGK church but they were married by a magistrate. Once you know what religion he was you could look for the church records on familysearch - you will probably need to look in the catalogue for a town in the Pongolo district

[loish711]

Presumably you know his Identity Number, you could apply for a vault copy of his birth certificate which would have his parents listed. This may take some time and would depend on the department finding it.
What religion was he - I see that their children were baptised in the NGK church but they were married by a magistrate. Once you know what religion he was you could look for the church records on familysearch - you will probably need to look in the catalogue for a town in the Pongolo district

 Hi Gillian,
Thanks for your reply, yes the identity number is on his Death Notice. Not sure of his religion, where did you see the baptism of his children, on Family Search? I  think my friend is going to try and get his birth certificate next year when visiting South Africa and I have given her the form to fill in. We know it can take some time. We were hoping we might find a baptism for him before then though.

[Gillian Mauchan]

Put the name into familysearch there is a marriage record and two baptism records indexed.

[loish711]

Put the name into familysearch there is a marriage record and two baptism records indexed.

I had the marriage certificate but thanks for the baptisms. There are 7 children all together!  Think we may have to wait patiently till next year for her father's birth certificate as it doesn't come up in any research I have done so far.

[loish711]

Looks Like Louisa married at 17 in 1949 before she married Johannes!

[Gillian Mauchan]

do none of the siblings know their grand parents names? What was the oldest son's names, if they followed traditional naming patterns he should have been named for his paternal grandpa

[rs2016]

Hi all, I would be extremely grateful if anyone could have a look on family search for these estate papers, I have tried but am no expert and may just be missing them.

This is the info relating to them from the SA archives

Description - Arthur Stannard, estate papers
starting - 19570000
ending - 19570000
depot - KAB
source - MOG
type - LEER
system - 01
reference - 439/47
part - 1 

and 

description - Arthur Montague Stannard, born in port Elizabeth, unmarried, deceased estate.
starting - 19700000
ending - 19710000
depot - NAB
source - MSCE
type - LEER
system - 01
reference - 112/1971
part - 1.