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Oriel help please?
« on: Sunday 07 September 14 21:44 BST (UK) »
I am descended from Thomas John Oriel, born on 27 June 1873 in Swansea. His parents were John and Margaret Oriel (nee Harts) who were married in Tenby on 25 August 1872. I suspect that Margaret may have died in 1875 and that John Oriel then may have remarried to Annie Stephens - but I am not sure I have the correct John Oriel. Having spent a fascinating year finding out about lots of Oriels, I am still not sure where I fit in. Could anyone be kind enough to help please?

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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 September 14 22:45 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

Do you have the family in 1881, I cant see them at the moment?
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 September 14 22:57 BST (UK) »
Found them, he was transcribed as Thomas T

6 Horton Street Swansea

Oriel   John   29       Head   House Carpenter & Joiner   Crinwer, Pembrokeshire   
Oriel   Annie 31       Wife                                      Talley, Carmarthenshire   
Oriel   Thomas T   7    Son   Scholar                           Swansea, Glamorganshire   
Oriel   Albert E   1M    Son                                       Swansea, Glamorganshire   
Ball   Mary   11       Servant   Nurse Maid                    Swansea, Glamorganshire
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 September 14 23:02 BST (UK) »
Albert's birth certificate would give you his mother's maiden name, so you would know if you've found the correct marriage.

Albert Edward Oriel
1881 Jan-Feb-Mar
Swansea  Glamorgan
Volume:   11a  Page:   700


Unfortunately it looks as if he didn't live long:

Albert Edward Oriel
Birth Year:   abt 1881
Registration Year:   1881 Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death:   0
Registration district:   Swansea  Glamorganshire
Volume:   11a  Page:   429
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 September 14 23:56 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat:-

Marriage 8th July 1876 St James, Swansea

John Oriel 24 Widower occ Joiner abode Fuel Road, St Thomas Father Thomas occ Joiner
Anne Stephens 26 Spinster abode 18, Heathfield Street Father John occ Labourer
Witnesses David Llewellyn and Susanna Davis

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 September 14 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Baptism Albert Edward Oriel born 17th February 1881 baptised 16th March 1881 St Mary, Swansea Father John occ Joiner Mother Annie abode 6, Horton Street

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 September 14 00:23 BST (UK) »
There's a one-name study for ORIEL. Are you in touch with RootsChat member Orielbenfro?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/019y6/

If you make two more posts to get your total of posts to 3, you can send Orielbenfro a personal message through this site.  :)

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 00:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your help - it was wonderful to read the replies as they made lots of my other information suddenly fall into place! I am now starting to understand where I fit in. Being new to this and finding myself swamped with Oriels I had naively trusted an Oriel family tree structure that I found online and tried to use it to match my own information - I have now confirmed that there were errors in it which caused me to go wrong and I have learnt my lesson!

Could I please follow up? I now believe that this is indeed the correct John Oriel as it matches direct evidence from my own family and I am now wondering about two other children.

It seems that his first wife, Margaret Harts, may have had a daughter, also Margaret, when she was only about 16, but I can't see what happened to the child after age 10. Does anyone know? She seemed to be called Margaret Oriel even thought her mother didn't marry John until much later, in1872.

I think that there was also a Mary Louisa Oriel (known in our family as "Aunt Louisa"), daughter to John and his second wife Annie. I know she was a teacher but I am keen to know more about her if anyone can help.

Once again, thank you for the help and advice - and I will look into all your suggestions.





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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 September 14 00:39 BST (UK) »
1901.
RG13; Piece: 5076; Folio: 114; Page: 35.
Swansea

John Oriel           49. Carpenter and joiner
Annie Oriel           51
Mary L Oriel   17. Pupil teacher
Agnes Oriel   15. Shop assistant draper
John S Oriel   10
Matthew Thomas 24

We are unable to give information from the 1911 I'm afraid.
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