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Offline Greensleeves

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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #36 on: Friday 12 September 14 23:18 BST (UK) »
Mind you, judging from the fairly remote area I used to live in, any broken crockery and domestic refuse wasn't put on the dung-heap but thrown into the river.  Made clearing the banks as a riparian owner fascinating!
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Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #37 on: Friday 12 September 14 23:26 BST (UK) »

Well, actually, not necessarily domestic activity on the site.  It was, and still is, common to spread muck onto fields from the muck heaps near to the farmhouse, stable and cow shed etc.  Domestic rubbish also ended up on the muck heap, so domestic rubbish would then end up on the fields some distance from the farmhouse itself.

Yes - good point.  Although it's position doesn't necessarily lend itself to that scenario.
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 13 September 14 11:21 BST (UK) »
Just to add a bit of background - the plate was in isolation at a depth of approx. 4" in soil surrounded by buried hawthorn tree roots, with a top layer of nettles and grass. 

It was right next to what we have discovered to be a doorway, which led into a small room with a stone flagged floor and a hole in one flag that appears to have been a drain hole.  The flag with the hole was lifted and there were seashells underneath the hole.  The building(s), of which only the footings remain, has remained undisturbed in living memory.
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 13 September 14 16:59 BST (UK) »
Nettles and hawthorns can be indicators of past human activity at a site.

Have you looked on www.oldmaps.co.uk for free access to the old OS maps to see if anything is marked at your site?  also look on www.visionofbritain.org.uk for maps earlier than the OS.  Also try the County Record Office for tithe maps etc.
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 13 September 14 17:27 BST (UK) »
Yes, I know the significance of nettles and hawthorns. Hawthorns have been used since early medieval times  in bank and ditches with dry stone walling around here. The ordnance maps show an unnamed building on the site of differing shapes in different years. It is in a rural position with other named farms nearby. The '41, 51, etc census records give names of families at various farms. It difficult to tie down who may have been living at our ruin.

I must recheck the visionofbritain site to be double-sure but I think a map of 1843 is the earliest indication that something was there.

ADDED - a full map regression has been done.
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 13 September 14 22:13 BST (UK) »
Indeed,  nettles = disturbed  ground and elder bushes often grow on the sites of outside toilets.   Which makes me wonder about the clump of elders which grow at the bottom of my garden!
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 13 September 14 22:21 BST (UK) »
And in an ancient ditch at the edge of ours too GS.  ::)
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Re: Can anyone throw some light upon this please?
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Nettles & elders like high phosphate levels and are often a sign of human or domestic animal "activity". The effect can last centuries in some cases. I'm no expert ut I would hazard a guess of 1880 plus or minus 20 or so years.
FLOOD - Exeter, Middlesex.  DAVEY - Norfolk, Herts, West Ham.  MILLS - Hampshire.  GARLAND - Sussex.  BRIGHT - Hampshire, GULLIVER - Hampshire, Sussex, London.  NOCKELS - Norfolk.  POMEROY - Exeter.  RANDALL - Sussex, Surrey.  REYNOLDS - Cambridgeshire.  BOWYER - Cambridgeshire & Suffolk.  STUPPELL - Kent.  MISSEN - Cambridgeshire.  TAYLOR - Cambridgeshire.  TOWNSEND - London.  CURTIN - London, GIBBONS - Suffolk, BROWN - Suffolk, SWALE(S) - Yorkshire, GAIN - Sussex

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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, robbo for this information.  Those dates make sense with other stuff we have found although all digging has been abandoned now until the Spring.

I had forgotten all about this question I asked regarding the bit of plate.

Maggie
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