Emmaville Newspapers Hughes and Riley

[majm]

   I may well be duplicating some of the information found on this thread and on several others, but I hope that by placing it all together, here, that it will be useful in seeking out original bdm documents in the quest for the search for Aboriginal Heritage.

  The registration of the birth of Maud is indexed at NSW BDM online.  It is indexed under her mum’s then surname of SKINNER.  The reference number is 16174  in 1882,  and it was registered in the Glen Innes district.

  Maud's mum, Amy A SKINNER, married Stephen RUMMERY in 1888, reference 4934, registered Glen Innes district.

  Amy Ann and Stephen RUMMERY were divorced in 1916  https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15663166  SMH 20 April 1916 

  Amy Ann SKINNER’s parents are noted on her 1930 marriage, (as Amy Ann RUMMERY  at age 67 at Surry Hills, Sydney, NSW) as Thomas SKINNER a Station Hand and Catherine WELLS.
 
  Thomas SKINNER and Catherine WELLS marriage is indexed at NSW BDM, registered Braidwood district in 1861, ref # 1485

JM

[Bev Mac]

hi majm
thanks for the info, my grand mother was aboriginal how do i prove she is from the stolen generation, her name is Doreen Jessie Riley and my great grandmother was madge/maud/doolin/riley/hughes how does anyone know if they had a certificate of exemption?
Doreen was put into and sydney orphanage in 1925 because madge was in a fire,the children returned to madge in 1928.

Bev

[majm]

Hi,

Sorry, but I doubt that Maud/Madge was of Aboriginal descent and  so I cannot see any reason for Madge needing a Certificate of Exemption.   Madge's mum was not a married woman when Madge was born, and Madge's birth is indexed under Madge's mum's then surname of SKINNER. 

   You may need to contact the NSW State Archives for further information re the issuing of those certificates which I have understood were not part of the administrative system until the mid 1940s ...  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/series/11 

   I am not sure if there are public access restrictions on the following NSW archive listings
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/series/26 covering the Board for the Protection of Aborigines
1916 - 1928  But if you contact NSW State Archives, please do mention that the children were removed from their mum's care following her burn injuries in 1925 and then restored to her in 1928.   Although unless Doreen and her siblings' Dad was of Aboriginal descent, I think the children's removal and restoration would more likely be in accordance with the then Child Welfare Act 1923, rather than the Aboriginal Protection Act.   

  In an earlier post I noted various pointers to NSW bdm certificates of registration for Madge's birth in 1882, her mum (Amy Ann)'s marriages 1888 and 1930, and back to the 1861 marriage of Amy Ann's parents at Braidwood, NSW in  1861.  Other RChatters had also included similar sightings, and electoral roll sightings too.   

  I had noted that Madge's mum was Amy Ann SKINNER, and that Amy Ann SKINNER's parents were Thomas SKINNER and Catherine WELLS.  I have not looked for further information on Amy's parents, but I can see a possible brother for Amy.   If you were to obtain the official transcription for the birth of Thomas A SKINNER, registered Wellingrove, in 1868, you should be able to find the names and ages of his older siblings, so hopefully it should mention Amy.  It is NSW BDM reference #17669.   

  Here is the 1923 Child Welfare Act http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/cwa1923n21142/

  Here is the 1918 Aboriginal Protection Act
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/apa1918n7342/

For many decades in NSW children were removed from their mothers under the provisions of the Child Welfare Act.  It did not matter what ethnicity for their parents.  If Madge was hospitalised and required long term treatment for her burns, then it is quite possible that the children were taken into 'state care' until she had recovered sufficiently for them to be returned to her care.   But, in my experience, by returning them to her care is indicating they were not removed under the Aboriginal Protection Act.  I may well be wrong, and I am happy to be corrected.   

JM
 

[Bev Mac]

Hi majm
I heard my grandmother Doreen Jessie Riley born 22/11/1914 was from the stole generation is there anyway that can be proved?I know she was aboriginal and her mother was maadge/maud doolin/riley/hughes Doreen married my grandfather John Eliza Bland.
please help Im trying to prove my aboriginal descendants.
Thanku
Bev

[majm]

Hi Bev,

  I doubt Madge had Aboriginal heritage, but I have already given you some suggestions to follow through if you were to consider contacting NSW State Archives.  Here's some other suggestions too : 
  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/aboriginal-resources-guide-nsw-state-archives
  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/aboriginal-resources-overview-records
  https://www.aboriginalaffairs.nsw.gov.au/healing-and-reparations/family-records-service
  https://aiatsis.gov.au/research/finding-your-family/research-step-step/search-records
  https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/nsw/NE01008

May I mention that:

  At the NSW BDM online index there's an option to check if any birth registration was indexed more than once.  I can see that Doreen's birth registration number is 47584/1914 and it is indexed under both RILEY and DOOLAN.  Doreen's father's given name is not displayed on the index.  The actual registration should give further information, including the name of the person who registered that birth, and also which headings include either or both surnames.

  I have checked my CD for the electoral roll of late 1913, for Emmaville (NSW ER 1913 GOUGH, polling Emmaville) and cannot see anyone with the surname DOOLAN or a variation of that surname, BUT     
**  There are several with the surname HUGHES, and they are residing at Rose Valley. 
**  Perhaps as an aside, there are people listed at Rose Valley with the surname RUMMERY **  (Madge's mum's first marriage was to a Stephen RUMMERY, perhaps these Rose Valley people would be related to Madge's step father). 
** There is just ONE entry for anyone with the surname RILEY. 
It reads :  Maud RILEY, Emmaville, domestic duties. 

Please do remember that Doreen and her siblings were restored to their mum after a separation of less than three years and likely caused by the time needed for her recovery from her burns injuries.  Medicine had not yet discovered penicillin or any antibiotics.  It would have been a long slow and painful recovery for Madge.

JM

[Bev Mac]

hello majm

thanks for the information but ive tried with what you have noted,my question before was my grandmother Doreen Jessie riley  is from the stolen generation so i was told is there anyway i can find out for sure,I really do appreciate your help.Bev

[majm]

hello majm

thanks for the information but ive tried with what you have noted,my question before was my grandmother Doreen Jessie riley  is from the stolen generation so i was told is there anyway i can find out for sure,I really do appreciate your help.Bev

Hi

Some questions for consideration ...

What responses did you receive from each of those organisations?

What is the exact details noted on the 1914 birth registration ... ?

What information did Doreen give about herself and her parentage when she married?

If Doreen was restored to her own mum in 1928 how does that support any suggestion about Stolen Generation ..... 

JM

[majm]

1934, NSW BDM online index has John E BLAND and Doreen J RILEY marriage registered Emmaville #4538.

Commonwealth  ER 1936 RICHMOND,  NSW ER TENTERFIELD
polling Deepwater:
Doreen Jessie BLAND, Emmaville, home duties
John Elijah BLAND,  Emmaville, labourer

Commonwealth  ER 1937 RICHMOND,  NSW ER TENTERFIELD
polling Deepwater:
Doreen Jessie BLAND, Emmaville, home duties
John Elijah BLAND,  Emmaville, labourer


https://www.aec.gov.au/indigenous/milestones.htm   


Question:
What information about her origins is recorded on Doreen's 1986 death registration?

ADD
Also, perhaps you should consider contacting these tree owners  who all seem to have researched Doreen Jessie or her husband’s ancestors:

  http://www.city-data.com/forum/australia-new-zealand/2818660-riley-hughes-family-search.html
  http://www.familytreecircles.com/looking-for-any-information-on-the-hughes-riley-family-in-emmaville-around-the-1920-to-1960-68781.html
  https://www.myheritage.com/search-records?action=person&siteId=214097831&indId=1510661&origin=profile
  https://www.myheritage.com/names/madge_doolin
  http://www.linleyfh.com/p501.htm#i33583
  https://www.myheritage.com/search-records?action=person&siteId=214097831&indId=1510658&origin=profile
  https://www.geni.com/people/Victoria-Bland/6000000012118964408
  https://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/australia/74782/




JM

[Bev McCarron]

hello you mention that dad was of Australian aboriginal descent was Doreen jessie riley dad Hercules riley and is he of Australian descent?

Bev