Shot in the dark. John Murphy 19 Lower Camden Street Victualler.

[Dubchick]

Anybody know anything about a John Murphy (a Victualler) of 19 Lower Camden Street. Dublin. His Son also John married a Julia Farrell. I have their marriage record but would love to know more about John Senior (Victualler). Think he died between 1857 and 1864.

[dathai]

to help with the time frame

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/ba968a0094951

[dathai]

John juniors marriage cert 1858 says parents Definite which i presume means deceased so he probably died between 1850 and 1858

http://www.dublin1850.com/dublin1850/xdubdir63.html#Murphy

[Dubchick]

Thanks Daithi,
I seen that trade directory for 1850 and also some  Thom's Directories up to 1859 that shows a John Murphy Victualler at 19 Camden st.
 So maybe John senior died just before the 1858 marriage, maybe Thom's 1859 directory information was ready to print.
No records indicate that John Jnr was ever a victualler.Have some of his children's birth certificates and all list him as a car/cab owner or a dairyman.
His wife Julia died 1880  following childbirth and John died around 1898 he had a dairy at 61 Synge Street at that time.
The Diary remained in family hands until the 1930s until their son George Murphy died at 61 Synge street.
Think I'll check glasnevin deaths up to 1859. Else I've exhausted this Murphy line.

[gaffy]

Just for information, there is a newspaper article of October 1860 which reports that Mr Murphy's premises at 19 Lower Camden Street were completely destroyed in a fire. They were clearly rebuilt, as there are later references to it being a Spirit Establishment. The article clearly describes him as a victualler. 

John Murphy's name against the address "19 Camden Street, lower" also appears in an April 1847 newspaper in a long list of ratepayers seeking a public meeting about the Dublin Improvement Bill, so he was there for quite a while.

[Dubchick]

Thanks Gaffy,
Fascinating stuff. Do you know what newspaper?
John Murphy Jnr died in 1898 aged 68 so was born around 1930.
Have three great grandmothers all maiden names Murphy so get stumped sometimes. And one of those Murphy's married a Murphy.
 

[Dubchick]

Thanks Gaffy,

Just found some information on Freemans Journal 11 October 1860 about that fire at 19 Lower Camden Street. Thanks for the tip off regarding the date had been looking at the british newspaper archive for a while and couldn't find it.

DESTRUCTIVE FIRE
Yesterday morning, at a quarter to two o'clock a fire was discovered to have broken out in the shop of Mr. Murphy, victualler, 19 Lower Camden-Street. The flames spread rapidly, and soon caught the upper section of the house, which was soon enbeloped in flames. The police engine was in prompt attendance, and rendered good service under the direction of Mr. Inspector Boyle, who found that the premises in which the fire had originated could not be saved, and he wisely directed the efforts of his men to prevent the extension of the flames to the adjoining houses. several of the insurance and parish fire-engines were also on the spot. The fire wa got unde by four o'clockm, but Mr. Murphy's house was entirely destroyed. The Righ Hon, the Lord Mayor attended by Mr. crofton, of the pipewater department was present and remained until all dnager was over. Mr. Murphy, we can learn, is insured at "the National" for 800l. The causes which led to the fire are not known.

[felixquaxer]

Dubchik
See also The Irish Times 11/10/60 where a Mr Murphy (provision dealer of No.32 Denzille Street) was stated to be the owner.
Your attention is drawn to the Law report in edition of 5/2/1861  ......Murphy v National Insurance Co.
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[Dubchick]

Thanks Felizquaxer,

I checked the freemans journal for 05/02/1861 and found a report about the Insurance.

Does anyone know if I can access the Irish Times Archive at the Dublin City Archives for free.
Just looked at their online access prices and they are a bit steep.

Regards
Dubchick