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Thomas Ormsby
« on: Sunday 21 September 14 15:46 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anybody can help me. I am looking for a Thomas Ormsby, born around 1895, who died in Grimsby Lincolnshire in 1863. The furthest back I can trace him is WW1, where he gave his address as 125 Orwell street Grimsby and was in the Royal Dublin Fusileers (Grimsby men fighting in WW1: Ormsby, Thomas - 125 Orwell St.638927 - Private - 524th Labour Coy.). The address was that of his future in laws and I cannot identify him before this date. There are very few people by this name in the 1911 census, but he was certainly not in Grimsby at the time. I have also been unable to find his wife Sarah's death. The only likely match is for a woman who died in Dublin in 1955, she certainly didn't die in Grimsby, where they lived. I am starting to wonder whether he was from Dublin, can anybody help?
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:02 BST (UK) »
Do you know where/when he married Sarah and who she was?

There's a Thomas Ormsby in Dublin in 1911 with mother and siblings but don't know if we can link him to yours  :-\

What date did he give address 125 Orwell St Grimsby?
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:02 BST (UK) »
Is his father's name and occupation listed on his marriage certificate?

The 1901 and 1911 Irish census is online and this is the closest match I can find in 1901 but it would be good to have father's details to see if this could be the correct family-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Ballycastle/Killeena/1591749/
same family in 1i911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Ballycastle/Killeena/733511/
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:07 BST (UK) »
I know
I am still waiting for the record, so that will be my only clear link. I just find it very confusing why somebody who lived in Grimsby would have been in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers......


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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:21 BST (UK) »
Let us know when you get the information on the marriage certificate so we can look for more information.

Ireland was part of the U.K. and the British Army consisted of many regiments. Not everyone in the R.D.F. had an Irish connection- often just depended on recruitment in an area.

We aren't allowed to do liikups for the 1911 English census but have you found any possible candidates outside the Grimsby area?
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 September 14 16:42 BST (UK) »
There are Ormsby births in Grimsby 1919-31 mmn Lea but can't see an Ormsby/Lea marriage.
Ok Thomas is mistranscribed as Ornisby.
Marriages Mar 1919
Lea  Sarah  Ornisby  Grimsby  7a 1174
Ornisby  Thomas  Lea  Grimsby  7a 1174
So we know they were still in Grimsby until 1931.


Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 September 14 18:44 BST (UK) »
yes, this is the marriage certificate I am awaiting. I know he was in Grimsby around WW1, because a transcription on the internet lists him as living at 125 Orwell street, which was the home of the Lea family. The information allegedly came from Grimsby reference library and lists Grimsby men who fought in WW1, so that will be my mission tomorrow. He was still in Grimsby until his death in 1963 and I have found his burial, which suggests he was 70 years old and a fisherman. I may have to get his death certificate, as this may tell me where he was born. The only other feasible Thomas Ormsby in England really, that I can find in the 1911 census was in and from Lancashire and a coal miner. I have looked for his wife Sarah's death and cannot find this either. She was definitively born in November 1895 and the only obvious match is for a woman who died in Dublin in 1955. This and the Dublin Fusiliers makes me wonder whether he actually came from there and she was visiting family. His eldest child died in 1920 as an infant from the oh so common convulsions in a very rough part of Grimsby, he was then a labourer, almost certainly down the docks. The child's name was Catherine. I have found a census return for 1911 and 1901, in Dublin at Hacket's court Wood Quay, which has a Thomas Ormsby aged 7/17 with a mother named Catherine, so I am kind of wondering......I think his father may have been Patrick, but he was not with them in 1911 and my Thomas didn't name any of his sons Patrick......so I will need the marriage record, stuck until then

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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 September 14 20:47 BST (UK) »
Not sure if English death certificates for that date list place of birth- others on here will likely know.

Do you know his exact date of birth?
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Re: Thomas Ormsby
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 September 14 20:55 BST (UK) »
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