willaim allder

[tjtree]

I didn't even think of that  I wonder now  .   

[Annie65115]

OP - is Frederick your ancestor? (I presume so?)

I think there may be confusion re different William Allders.

I can see Frederick Williamson Allder in 1861; b Bromley, Kent, age 7. He's living with his widowed mother Charlotte Allder, age 37, b Bucks. Head of household is Mary Williamson age 70something (Charlotte's mother). Also present is another granddaughter, Mary Elizabeth Williamson age 15, born in Middlesex - I'd guess this was Charlotte's daughter, born before she married William Allder.

I feel that the William who married Charlotte in 1851 was probably NOT the same William who married Christiana, but maybe there is evidence to link the two?

[tjtree]

I really thought there was evidence on them  what with being publicans  but I make you right in what you are saying   you defo got me thinking    do you know how we will find out who is  dad john is and where William was from xx

[Annie65115]

Found Charlotte in 1851 (31 March 1851) - she was with her family in Swanbourne.

6 weeks later she was giving the same address as William when she married him in London 

But I can see how they met -- he was a licensed victualler, she was "dealer in British wines"!

There's no Mary Elizabeth in the household in 1851 - maybe she wasn't Charlotte's daughter after all.

I cannot find William in 1851 for love nor money!

[Annie65115]

If someone can find William in 1851, we will have an idea of his age and birthplace and that will help!

Do you have a copy of his will? Did it mention any other family members?

[tjtree]

the will was written in 1833  and cancelled in 1846   I think the young Elizabeth could have been a granddaughter of one of charlottes brothers  as she had a few of them  and they seemed a pretty close family unit  I have looked and looked for  William in the 1851 census and could,nt find anything  I did contact the local archives whom  said he was a victualler of the buffalo,s head as well but by  the time he and charlotte married  he seemed to still run a pub I do hope I  have got  same man im gonna double check this will  its only got about 8 lines  stating  he leaves it all to christiana  alder formerly  christiana lowder a widow

[Annie65115]

If the will leaves everything to Christiana, it is not going to be the will of William Allder who married Charlotte; not least of all because if this was the same man, Christiana would have died before he could marry Charlotte.

[tjtree]

that's what I thought she had passed away  but im not to sure now

[Annie65115]

Can we go back as well to your very first post in which you say that you've found a death cert for him, 16 June 1858, age 48.

I can see reports of an inquest held on the body of William Alder who died 16 June 1858 in Aylesbury - is this the one you're thinking of? But the inquet report states that this William was 43; and that he was a labourer, and collapsed and died suddenly whilst making hay. This doesn't sound like your William.

Once again, can I ask if Frederick Williamson Allder is definitely your ancestor? Because if so, I think it would be best to throw out all the info you have about his parents and start again. The only thing that seems reasonably certain to me is that his mother was Charlotte and from Swanbourne, and she appears to have married William Allder in 1851 (circumstances would point towards that being the correct marriage but now I can't even feel 100% about that!), and was widowed by 1861. And that's if she was telling the truth about being a widow.

Everything else about William is a mystery at the moment. We don't have his dob or place of birth. The other marriage to Christiana is not likely to be the same man. The 1858 Aylesbury death was probably not him. And we can't even be sure that his father was John; we only have his word for it!