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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 08:55 BST (UK) »
When was Ethel born - 1894? 

From census info Ada says married about 1891 if I have the right family (she is down as Anna but it does read Ada) 

There's a tree with Ethel marrying Joseph Hurst but doesn't say when. 
Also Ada down as Aide Cope if that helps.

Marriage 1912 William Wainwright Ada Cope W Derby. 
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:08 BST (UK) »
Marriage?

22nd September 1912, St Timthy's, Walton-on-the-Hill

William Wainwright, 42, Bachelor, Baker, 29 Canterbury Street
Ada Cope, 42, Spinster, 29 Canturbury Street

Fathers: Thomas Wainwright and James Cope
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:25 BST (UK) »


My great Grandfather was born in Liverpool in 1870 by 1891 at the age of 21 he is living at home with his parents and his proffession is listed as a baker
Sometime between 1891 and 1892 he Meets Ada Cope born 5/8/1870 (in the 1891 census she is a described as a servant living in the next street to the Wainwright s)
 Her parents are James and Ellen Cope of Salisbury Street Liverpool and she has been born and brought up in Liverpool, so far so good

Now it gets strange my grandfather is born in December 1892 , however the first attempt at Marriage between William and Ada takes place on the 17/10/1897 at Toxteth Park Holy Trinity church verified by Banns
my grandfathers  Birth
 However the subsequent dates of other marriages are written in the margin next to each Bann but there is no date  of Marriage for William and Ada

 The Second Marriage is recorded is  9/8/1912 at St Timothy’s Church Walton on the Hill there is a marriage certificate for this one William is listed as being a Baker

This seems to be the genuine marriage ,so why did they finally get married 22 years after they first lived together ???

1901 census William snr is 31 (ships Baker ) and Ada is 30 but their children do not appear on the form?? They are living in Kirkdale
1911 census 5 children recorded as born 2 of who   are dead.
William snr does not appear but as he was a seaman he may have been at sea at the time

Now it gets very Strange, my mother once said to me when I was a child ,”your fathers family were bakers they went to the West Country “

According to the Liverpool street Directories
1912 William Wainwright baker lives at 9 Cochrane Street St Georges Hill
1913 he is still there
1914 he is not recorded as living there

from another source there is a record of his daughter Ethel( born 1894) being confirmed in 1915 at St Marys Church Redcliffe Bristol

My grandfather lists his  Next of Kin  on a form dated on 14/6/1916 as  his Father William Wainwright 8 Orchard Square Bristol crossed out and replaced by his wife Winifred Wainwright living in Kensington Liverpool , (they were married in June 1916 )

Meanwhile William seems to have contiued his career at sea on the 2/07/1923 he applies for his Merchant Marine Medals he is still  living at 8 Orchard Square Bristol-

He dies on, 11th January 1930; Age, 59 years. Address, 8 Orchard Square, redfield Bristol; the burial service is at St Marys Redcliffe Bristol , his wife Ada dies a year later in  South mead Hospital Bristol now what is strange is that they lived in the Parish of St George Bristol
St Marys is a grade 1 listed ancient church in the heart of the city and a major tourist attraction , why were they both buried there ?
Their daughter Ethel was a tobbaco factory worker in Liverpool , a few hundred yards from St Marys at that time was a large tobacco factory did she work there
Its Likely that theywere buried in St Marys Burial ground on the bath Road I visited it in September 2014, unfortunatly the Burial ground is neglected and there was no sign of a gravestone (see Photo Below ) During the same Trip I visted Orchard Square unfortunatly the original houses have been demolished but the houses in the nearby streets are still there ,crosschecking a map of the area  made in 1945 indicates that the Orchard Square Houses would have been similar ie substantial terraced Houses indicating a degree of prosperity for William and his Family
What we still dont know are :why he moved to Bristol: what contact my Grandfather had with him after that move:and why he was buried in the most exclusive church in Bristol

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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:38 BST (UK) »
In 1901, William is a 'Baker - journeyman' not a ship's baker  ???
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:41 BST (UK) »
1901 census William snr is 31 (ships Baker ) and Ada is 30 but their children do not appear on the form?? They are living in Kirkdale

1901 census:
Class: RG13; Piece: 3483; Folio: 143; Page: 16
21 Spurgeon(?) Street, Everton

Wainwright, William  Head  M  31  Baker Journeyman  b Liverpool
Wainwright, Ada  Wife  F  30  b Liverpool

Do you have a different 1901 census?


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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:43 BST (UK) »
I wonder what happened to the non marriage in 1897  ???

Someone objected to the nuptials perhaps, guess we'll never know.
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:46 BST (UK) »
I asked before, is there a record of his service with the Merchant Navy?
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 09:57 BST (UK) »
I wonder where the children were in 1901? 

We have William, Ethel, George all born in the 1890's. 

Plus Ada 1896-1897 and Walter 1899-1899 as the other two.
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Re: William Wainwright
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 24 September 14 10:09 BST (UK) »
The cemetery you visited sounds like Arno's Vale, a privately run cemetery.
It was allowed to fall into a terrible state, and a legal battle ensued, trying to get the owners to put things right!
A compulsory Purchase Order in 2002 was followed by management by the Arnos Vale Cemetery Trust.

Greenbank cemetery would be more likely?

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