James Henry John Hayes

[gloworm45]

I saw his baptism under Buckland St Mary Baptisms 1788-1903 page 38 that someone gave me the email address to look up. It has his name, date of birth, and his mothers name Mary Hayes.

[CaroleW]

Duplicate post here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=702781.msg5457291#msg5457291 (Locked)

Did you buy a copy of the 1886 birth cert as advised?

[keyboard86]

Hi not much else at present to offer on your thread, but this looks to be the departure of Florence & children to Canada:-

Mrs F Hayes
Kathleen
Christine
Gwen
Departed Liverpool for Quebec on SS Corsican 5th October 1911

Also Kathleen was not a Hayes, her birth was Kathleen Eva Cross June qtr 1900 Wellington Som 5c 269

Keyboard86

[KGarrad]

From FreeREG:


Baptism 21st February 1886  at St Mary, Buckland St Mary
Hayes, James Henry   son of Mary Hayes
No father mentioned
Date of birth: 7th September 1885

[KGarrad]

Lateral thinking here!

I was wondering where Weston-super-Mare came into things - and there is a Mary Ann Hayes, b1861, from Weston-super-Mare.
Perhaps it was JHJ's mother who was from WSM?

Also the coal mines were almost certainly those in the Somerset & Bristol coalfield?
Clutton, Radstock, Midsomer Norton areas. Or even Bedminster area of Somerset/Bristol?

Anyway, bearing in mind that this is just supposition, here is that Mary in 1881:
Class: RG11; Piece: 2421; Folio: 135; Page: 19
2 Grosvenor Villas, Weston-super-Mare, Somerset

Carp, Elizabeth  Head  Unmarried  F  57  Lodging House Keper  b Puriton, Somerset
Carp, Mary  < no relationship mentioned>  Unmarried  F  47  b Burtle, Somerset
Collingwood, Jane  Visitor  F  45  Schoolmistress  b Edington, Somerset
Hayes, Mary Ann  Servant  Unmarried  F  20  Domestic Servant  b Weston-super-Mare


It looks like this Mary Ann Hayes got married in 1887 in Axbridge district?
(Which includes WSM)

All coincidental information, to be sure, but right name, about the right age, single at the right time, and a link to that elusive WSM!

The one question that remains is: Why Buckland St Mary?

[gloworm45]

I believe Buckland St Mary is on the baptism that I saw. I guess I will send for his birth certificate so I can be sure. Thanks all for the help.

[gloworm45]

I have his birthday as Sept. 7th, 1885 and death date as July 11th, 1962 in Frontenac County, Ontario Canada. That was his wife coming over on the ship. The oldest girl was not his but he took her as his own. My great grandmother was 8 months along with her 4th daughter when they came over on the ship.

[gloworm45]

I'm back and I just got my great grandfathers birth certificate. He was born December 7th, 1885. His mother's name is Mary Hayes listed as a servant of Buckland St Mary. He was born in Union Workhouse Chard Parish. His name is listed as Henry James. I would very much like to know anything about his mother. He was born out of wedlock. His mother married but I don't know to whom and she apparently had 3 more children, Jenny, Rose and I believe a boy Jack. This last bit of information I got from my great Aunt (his daughter) but she is now 93 years old and unfortunately she can't remember her Grandmother Mary's married name. Great grandfather and his family came to Canada around 1911. Please any help would be appreciated greatly. I am at a standstill now because I don't know Mary's married name. I do know there are a lot of Mary Hayes listed on the census there. I'm thinking she would have been born around 1869 or 70.

[keyboard86]

Hi just been having a look for you in the 1891/1901 considering any marriage, their is this family which I found interesting see what you think?

1891 census

Mary J Ackland 29 b Devon
James H 5 b Chard
Sarah J 2 b Chard
Census Ref RG12/197/28/6

1901 census

John Ackland 35 b Wellington
Mary Jane 38 b Honiton
James 15 b Buckland St Mary
Jane 12 b Buckland St Mary
John 2 b Kingston, Taunton
Census Ref RG13/2281/78/6

Cannot promise this is James, but a birth was not forthcoming so only a possibility?
Keyboard86

EDIT no not them as a Rose cannot be located and John jnr to in 1911 is still a John, oh well!!