Confusing marriage

[SmallTownGirl]

Perhaps the priest had been over-sampling the communion wine?

STG

[Josephine]

Oh, the possibilities are endless, and the fun/frustration lies in ruling each one out.

I'm guessing the bride's name was a coincidence or perhaps she was some sort of a cousin. (Or, vice versa, the groom's name.) The given names for bride, groom and fathers are common ones.

Mother's names weren't ever put onto marriage records, so I doubt the priest would have made that particular error. (Unless the Catholic registers were different from the Protestant registers?)

Having said all that, I have seen errors on marriage records.

Just my two cents.  Hope I haven't muddied the waters too much.

Josephine

[Galium]

1901 census

16 Mansfield Street, Liverpool

Samuel Powell head W  68  dock labourer
Sarah Cullen daur *   28 hawker of fruit
Margret Cullen Gdaur 8
Thomas Cullen Gson 4
Mary A Cullen Gdaur 3
John Cullen Gson 1

Everyone born in Liverpool

* Sarah's marital status is not recorded.
RG13/ Piece: 3424/Folio: 98/ Page: 3.

If this is Sarah Powell, wife of Thomas Cullen, clearly Margaret is a little previous to the marriage.

Margaret Powell, born 10 March 1893 d/o Sarah and Thomas Powell was baptised at St Joseph by James O'Connell (the same priest who performed the marriage of Thomas Cullen on 21 March ) on 9 March 1896. The only sponsor's name is Catharine Wharton. A witness of the marriage is Margaret Wharton.

On the marriage entry, it looks as though James O'Connell might have begun to write "Po-" for Thomas' surname, then crossed it out.

[Harlem]

Hi - is it possible that John had a brother Thomas, after whom the child was named. John and Thomas's father might also have been John. Then, John Jr. died and Margaret married his brother? Is there a death for John?

Harlemswife

[Duodecem]

I am sure it could be a mistake-I have a Norfolk marriage record for my great-grandparents in 1873. The bride was Sarah Charlotte- but the name on the marriage record is Harriet Sarah. Harriet was the name of the groom's mother. Although the groom was illegitimate the record has the only mention I have found of his father's name. I can only assume the parish clerk got confused about the name of the bride who was not from the parish.
The 18 year old bride signed with an x so presumably could not read her own name and did not notice the error.
Perhaps a similar error occurred in your family, Bentham.

[Bentham]

My thanks to everyone for the interest shown. I am sure the truth is in there somewhere.

I also think it is a mistake. Thomas' father, John Cullen, died in 1895 and his mother had died in 1887 and they did live in Cherry Lane. (despite the rather sweet name Cherry Lane was quite a slum of court dwellings).

Rather than a marriage registration it looks more like the priest has written a baptismal record.

Thanks

Bentham

[Bentham]

Actually you may be able to help a little bit more with this family.
The sister of the woman previously had three children with no fathers name on the certificates and then more with the name Micheal Rock as father although I do not think they ever married.
Her father was John McLeese and mother Margaret. The problem is they were illiterate and the name appears in all sorts of different spellings. Mclese, Macalease, McGlise, McLace and Maglese.
The family consisted of John & Margaret, and children Margaret, Mary Ann, Jessie, William, John, James and Jane.
I can find them in the 1851 census and all others but not 1861. I have tried using every spelling I can but they just do not show up. Any advice?

Thanks

Bentham

[iolaus]

What years were they born in?

There is a Murky family in Liverpool which several of the names occur in, may be worth you looking at - McLeese could be misheard as Murky
John and Margaret with children Margaret, William, Eliza and Mary Ann (I know you didn't mention an Eliza but I suppose you may have missed a child)

[Bentham]

Iolaus thanks for that but it is not them. Mary Ann was born in 1848 and William was born in1856 but only lived for about one month. Only one of the children was born in Ireland and John was not a boiler maker.

Thanks again

Regards

Bentham