nana's birth mother disappeared in 1901

[AddictedtoFamilyTree]

I did once find a Charlotte Robertson in a  Birkenhead 1901 trade directory after trawling thru pages on computer I dismissed her as she had a birthdate  1891  then realized 10 years old was a bit young to be working as a semstress + it could have been a mistranscription of 1881  but then I couldn't find the same book or page I'd looked in.

Schooling wasn't free until 1891, she may well have been working at 10 or 11...
Later in Queen Victoria's reign a number of day schools had begun, including the British Schools, and the Ragged Schools (so called because of the tattered clothes worn by poor pupils). In 1870 a law was passed saying that children aged between 5 and 10 had to attend weekday school. The leaving age was raised to 11 in 1893. Even so, many children were kept away from school by parents and employers who would rather have them earning money.

[brigidmac]

"Finding Mr Fellman" article is in April's edition of Family Tree ....
I'd hoped the affiliation order would feature more promimantly it is a beautiful documnt ...nothing has come up about Charlotte .I've investigated nana's adoptive family ;Samuel + Mary Hallis.. but can't link them to Charlotte either .

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I was looking through the 1911 census last night and it is purely guess work but I came across this entry.
 
1911 census deatils removed. Rootschat 1911 census policy has not changed

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355486.0


I know it is a long shot and is pure speculation and I am not sure how to follow that up really at the as she is living on her own. But is is worth a shot.

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[brigidmac]

Thanks so much for reviving this thread ,Hides

and giving me another lead ..I will certainly follow this one up

1939 records out since this search fizzled out ..but i've never used them so dont know how/if they can help 

back to trade directories I suppose
 
or death certificates

I'm getting more computer savvy for searches .

and yes I can see a census prefering to write Liverpool than Birkenhead
It is county of Cheshire
Now I need a  map to find Conway

[brigidmac]

 The lottie Roberts 1911
 a costumier
in Conway North wales

 seems a great candidate ,did you  see who else was in her household  ?

Conwy is actually on the same page of my road map as Birkenhead
i dont know if there is or was a ferry across the Dee otherwise travel would be via Shotten

A494 and A55 thes days 

John Roberts died in 1908
Leaving daughter Mary irvine 'one of his next of kin" to administer his estate

Wording left it open to whether it should be shared with Charlotte
her sister Mary  Roberts M Isaac Irvine
they didn't necessarily know Lotties  whereabouts

But if Lottie obtained Half of £313 it would help her set up as a dressmaker or pay rent in a house without sharing it !

 I am still looking for living descemdents of the Irvines :so far not found any
 eldest son Alexander b1910 became a journalist !

Edit   ; he died 1976 address was Mosseley road Tranmere  same address for his parents deaths
Isaac died 1936 Mary d 1953
Other children were twins B.1913 Eric and John irvine
Daughter B.1916

[brigidmac]

Lottie at 3 Conway St was a large  property
Employer working from home in 1911

This could also be the wrong  Charlotte who we originally researched whose birth was 1879
 She was living with parents
 In  1901 as a dressmaker.

 Her family was more middle class if I recall .my mother took photos of all the houses her ,false grandma Charlotte had lived in !!  I.ll need to go back and find those documents that Charlotte had several siblings

Our Charlotte was down as a drapers assistant in 1891

Her baby Maisie's adoptive Hallis family were tailors shirtmakers seamstresses by
The daughters were a generation older than Maisie and similar ages to

George Fellman sisters who were also in dressmaking trade and his father was the drapers

So we can guess that Charlotte was friendly with her suitor,s sisters and  someone suggested that her baby could board with the Hallis parents

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Here is the link for Family Search

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Caernarvonshire&query=%2Bgivenname%3Alottie~%20%2Bsurname%3Aroberts~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1881-1881~%20%2Brecord_country%3AWales%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Wales%2CCaernarvonshire%22

fingers crossed

[brigidmac]

There is a Lottie roberts in many newspaper reports in 1907  ... trafficking babies !
they make interesting reading ! It shows that there were lots of single mothers boarding out their babies hoping to place them in good families and avoid workhouse
 across Britain there were also couples prepared to pay up to £15 to adopt a baby

But not likely to be my ggma as she is down as being only 20 ..one would be 27

And she said she was an actress and one report said she'd met her partner in crime in Shrewsbury.she had had a baby herself which she had boarded out .

She was sentenced in July 07 to 6 months hard labour

[elzabels]

Re visiting this and your dismissal of the marriage to James Richard HUGHES

The 1939 Register has an entry

Charlotte Hughes died Sept qtr 1965 age 83 Shrewsbury Shropshire
Volume: 9a Page: 160

Husband possibly Richard J?

James R Hughes died aged 87 Set qtr 1963 Whitchurch  Volume: 9a Page: 224

Not unusual for someone to give the incorrect year of birth