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fredrich wilhelm paul arnold
« on: Saturday 18 October 14 14:31 BST (UK) »
Hi I am still searching for information on my great grandfather Fredrich Wilhelm Paul Arnold. Born 1890 Harburg Hanover Germany. Fredrich married Eva Crase in Broken Hill Australia. I have been researching this man for the last 12 years and i still cannot confirm his parents or birth place. The ship that he states that he come on to Australia does not have his name on the crew or passenger list. Also he gives different information on his marriage cert and naturalisation papers. Over the years i have left post on most sites hoping some one out there may have more information on him. Hope someone on here is looking for him.

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Re: fredrich wilhelm paul arnold
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 October 14 18:28 BST (UK) »
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Also he gives different information on his marriage cert

What info does his marriage certificate have ie name of father, occupation?
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 October 14 03:30 BST (UK) »
He writes his name on his marriage cert.as Frederick William Paul Arnold, place of birth Buchanan America ( this information  is incorrect as he was naturalized as a German in October 1939. Fred married Eva Crease 13 July 1918. Do you think he may have put that he was American because of the war ? I have his Jail record which says his native place is Germany. His birth never changes he always uses 16 October 1890. On his Jail records it says he arrived in Australia on H K HALL 1908. Yet his Naturalize paper it says he arrived on the Koko Head.
I hope this infor can help. Thank u so very much. Deb

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Re: fredrich wilhelm paul arnold
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 October 14 11:23 BST (UK) »
I forgot to add that on Fred marriage certificate he wrote the his father is also called Frederick Paul Arnold. and wrote his fathers occupation as a Lumber Boss. Friedrich had used the English spelling to their name. His mother is named as Olga no surname.
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 October 14 00:55 BST (UK) »
I forgot to add that on Fred marriage certificate he wrote the his father is also called Frederick Paul Arnold. and wrote his fathers occupation as a Lumber Boss. Friedrich had used the English spelling to their name. His mother is named as Olga no surname.
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Hi there,  from that 1918 NSW BDM marriage registration.    The person recording that information on that document was not actually the groom or the bride.  These two simply signed the registers where the clergyman pointed his finger to.     It was the person who performed the marriage ceremony who recorded the information, after interviewing the couple prior to their marriage.   So  if the interviewer asked many questions, and made notes as the interview progressed, it is entirely possible that the interviewer has not accurately recalled the information the groom provided to him.  Perhaps the groom had an American 'twang' to his voice, and the clergyman remembered that when referring back to his notes.   

He writes his name on his marriage cert.as Frederick William Paul Arnold, place of birth Buchanan America ( this information  is incorrect as he was naturalized as a German in October 1939. Fred married Eva Crease 13 July 1918. Do you think he may have put that he was American because of the war ? I have his Jail record which says his native place is Germany. His birth never changes he always uses 16 October 1890. On his Jail records it says he arrived in Australia on H K HALL 1908. Yet his Naturalize paper it says he arrived on the Koko Head.
I hope this infor can help. Thank u so very much. Deb
   

The online index at the National Archives of Australia shows Fredrich Wilhelm Paul ARNOLD’s naturalisation (as a British Subject)  was 22 December 1939 and his previous nationality was German, and his place of birth was Harburg, and he was born 1890.   His then (Dec 1939) place of residence was Broken Hill, NSW and his wife was Eva ARNOLD.   The index further indicates that the decision to provide open access to this record was made on 21 Sept 2012, with the date registered as 16 July 2012, perhaps the file had not yet been examined until after 16 July 2012.   

I would expect that 1939 application for Naturalisation (to become a British Subject) would be prompted by WWII and Australia’s automatic involvement as a dominion of the British Empire, and the personal desire to be protected from being treated as an alien by becoming a British Subject.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx  Search as a guest,  barcode 31520593

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Re: fredrich wilhelm paul arnold
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 October 14 01:12 BST (UK) »
Hi JM A big thank you for explaining how the marriage Certificate worked at that time, makes a lot of sense now as to all the different name spellings.
With Fredrich Naturalization papers I had them put to digital form many years so anyone searching him could view it, I also had a copy sent to me, Although I did notice a couple of years back the format had change in the NAA site and it no longer had the digital copy up.
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