My mistake it did say william john knew I would get it wrong, on his second marriage certificate, that I do have the full one of and not a transcript it is Kenneth William Mackenzie his father was John.
My parents think that Mary Ellen died my aunt is on the fence as not sure.
I am aware that there is a family tree around with her date of death 1972 mine and on other which have remove the dates from because we cannot find anything on her, I did see her.
I have seen a mary ellen arnall boarding a ship for toronto Canada of simlar age, just don't if this is her.