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Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« on: Monday 27 October 14 02:23 GMT (UK) »
Bought a sampler done by Katherine Philp 1819 when she was aged 7 years old. Its from Ladybank Fife but not sure if Katherine came from there.  Seeking any history on this young lady and willing to send photos of sampler to interested family members.  Grateful for any info as this is my first plunge into ancestry 

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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 October 14 11:57 GMT (UK) »
Hello & welcome
Philp seems to be a common Fife surname so there are a few Katherine's born there around 1812.None directly from Ladybank but in the surrounding area.
I've had a look to see if anyone has a Katherine Philp in their tree & there are a few but it's impossible to verify if it's the same girl.
Ladybank was pretty much just a peat bog at the time & didn't have a Parish Church until the 1870's so she would have had to have been Baptised elsewhere.
The nearest being Collessie.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 04:13 GMT (UK) »
The embroidered sampler that I have is done in silk in 1819 when Katherine was 7 years old.  It is very well done and so she would have come from a wealthy family.  I am in Tasmania, Australia so have no idea of what would have been "a good" area in 1812.  Any suggestions on how I can locate a good family?  Just had a thought - there are lots of initials at the top of the sampler HP AB AP KP HP AP HP TP HSIBKA.  I think the first 2 set of initials could be her father and mother followed by her siblings - though when it gets to HSIBKA the letters all run together and I don't know what that means.  Any suggestions where to go from here?


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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Think I might have something here:
Births.ST ANDREWS AND ST LEONARDS,FIFE
Catherine 22/9/1811 KP
Helen 23/2/1814 HP
Agness 25/8/1816 AP
Hugh 28/8/1818 HP
Jannet 11/9/1820
Father Hugh Philp HP
Mother Agness Berwick AB
There's also Caroline Graham Philp b.28/6/1829
According to his bio. there's also a daughter Mary b. 1822
Can't see any others.

This is the family in 1841 St. Andrew's
Add; Golf Place.
Hugh Philp  55 Occ: Wright ( in Scottish parlance a carpenter or joiner )
Agnes Philp  52
Helen Philp  25
Hugh Philp  20
Janet Philp  18
Margaret Philp  15
Thomas Philp  11
1851 still in St. Andrew's at Pilmour Place.
Ladybank is about 15 mls. away.
Might not be them of course as these are pretty common Scottish names but I can't find a better match.
I've just had a look at no. 4 Pilmour Place on the market for £820,000.
Very old property right next to the famous golf course.
Golf Place actually overlooks the course.

I also have this birth in the same Parish:
Agnes Berwick 23/6/1788
Father John Berwick IB ?
Mother Katherine Anderson KA

& also this Baptism for Hugh in Cameron Fife just down the road from St. Andrew's:
19/3/1786
Father Thomas Philp TP
Mother Helen Shaw HS

We have a spare AP which I can't place.
There are public member trees for this family on Ancestry but who the originator is & who has just copied the info. from it I couldn't say.
I've got a suspicion who the originator is so you could send him a message if you have an Ancestry account or I could send one on your behalf if not.

This is what I've found:
Hugh Philp (1786–1856) was one of the most celebrated golf club makers of his era.

Born in Cameron Bridge in Fife he moved to nearby St Andrews to establish a carpentry, joinery and housepainting business.[1] In 1812 he started to repair and then make golf clubs as a sideline.[1] This sideline became a great success and he subsequently opened a shop and workshop adjacent to the links.[2] His clubs were in great demand by the leading players of the day[3] and in 1819 Philp was appointed as club-maker to the Society of Golfers at St. Andrews (later to become the Royal and Ancient Golf Club).[2]

Today his clubs are highly desirable as collectors' items with auction prices reaching many thousands of pounds.[

Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 November 14 01:43 GMT (UK) »
Can almost say this is certainly my girl - She stitched her sampler in 1819 when she was 7 years old - therefore Janet hadn't been born then.  Katherine/Catherine doesn't show up in the family in 1841 at St Andrews so most likely she was married by then.  Hope so, like to think she lived on and had her own daughters to teach.

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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 November 14 10:14 GMT (UK) »
She did marry:
Catherine Philp
marriage: 21 December 1835 St Andrews And St Leonards,Fife
spouse: Melville Fletcher a bookseller.
1841:
Isabella Patterson  47
Euphemia Pattie  17
Melville Fletcher  32
Catherine Fletcher  28
Melville Fletcher  4
Hugh Fletcher  2

1851:
Melville Fletcher 42
Cathrine Fletcher 38
Hugh P Fletcher 12
David Fletcher 7
Agnes Fletcher 4 became a teacher of languages.never married
Cathrine M Fletcher 1 became a music teacher.never married
I wonder how your sampler ended up in Tassie.



 
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Katherine Philp 1811 or1812
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 November 14 04:37 GMT (UK) »
I'm sorry to say I bought it on E-bay.  I only buy samplers with names, ages (preferably dates of birth) or year sewn and a place.  This one only says Katherine Phiip sewn aged 7 1819.  I bought it from a shop in Ladybank, Fife so started there and thanks very much for all your info