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Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« on: Tuesday 28 October 14 21:42 GMT (UK) »
The mystery:  Who is my 2x great grandfather?  Two Ann Statters were born 1850, their births recorded in the births register for Bootle, Vol. 25, Pg. 38.  The girls are first cousins.  One of these babies became my great grandmother but I am unable to determine which of the brothers is my Ann's father.  My Ann Statter married Isaac Helling, 2 Jun 1873, in the Parish Chuch at Dalton in Furnace, Lancashire.  I know that she died at 66 yrs., 8 Apr 1916, and is buried in Dalton Cemetery. I believe the other Ann Statter died Jul/Aug/Sept 1862 at 12 years. 

In the 1851 census we find both Anns living at the same address.
James Statter @35 years, head
Ann Statter @1 year, daughter
Henry Knight, @ 9 yrs., son-in-law
Richard Knight, @ 7 yrs., son-in-law
Braithwaite Statter @ 21 yrs., brother
Jane Statters @ 22 yrs., sister-in-law
Ann Statter @1 year, niece

In the 1861 census, we find both Anns still at the same address.
John Statter @ 45 yrs., head
Ann Statter @ 11 yrs., daughter
Ann Statter @ 11 yrs., niece

In the 1871 census, we find my Ann no longer living with a parent or uncle.
William Roger @ 47 yrs., head
Dinah Roger @ 39 yrs., spouse
Sharp Roger @ 11 yrs., son
Edward Roger @ 9 yrs., son
Ann Statters @ 21 yrs., servant
John Mossop @ 61 yrs., boarder

I would love to know if my family line leads to John Statter or his younger brother Braithwaite Statter. 
Gardner-USA, Canada, UK
Hummiston-Canada, USA
Bowerman-Canada, USA
Evans-Canada, UK
Leavens-Canada
Stackhouse-Canada, UK
Helling-Canada, UKSlatter-UK
Martel-USA, Canada, France
Ritterbush-USA
Peake-USA

Especially interested in the Gardners, reported Quakers of MA, NY, and Ontario, Canada.

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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 21:46 GMT (UK) »
When "your" Ann marries Isaac, who does she name as her father?

And to cross check, have you found the "other" Anns marriage, and seen who she names as her father?e that
Ignore that - just seen the other one died as a child
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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 21:59 GMT (UK) »
The marriage document shows a long dash in the space where a parent's name should be entered for bnoth the bride and groom.  The only other telling information for the certificate is that it states the bride is from Holmrook, and the witnesses are John Hullock and Hannah Ashburner.
Gardner-USA, Canada, UK
Hummiston-Canada, USA
Bowerman-Canada, USA
Evans-Canada, UK
Leavens-Canada
Stackhouse-Canada, UK
Helling-Canada, UKSlatter-UK
Martel-USA, Canada, France
Ritterbush-USA
Peake-USA

Especially interested in the Gardners, reported Quakers of MA, NY, and Ontario, Canada.

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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 22:23 GMT (UK) »
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The marriage document
Is this the marriage cert or something else?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 22:24 GMT (UK) »

In the 1851 census we find both Anns living at the same address.
James Statter @35 years, head
Ann Statter @1 year, daughter
Henry Knight, @ 9 yrs., son-in-law
Richard Knight, @ 7 yrs., son-in-law
Braithwaite Statter @ 21 yrs., brother
Jane Statters @ 22 yrs., sister-in-law
Ann Statter @1 year, niece


You have omitted Elizabeth Statter age 32 (Sister of John) who is listed between Jane Statter sister in law and Ann Statter Niece.  Have you discounted her as Anns mother.
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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Can i suggest another option, given the lack of father of the (presumed) marriage certificate. If you look at 1851 there is actually another person who is not on the list presented above. Elizabeth Stater aged 32, unmarried. Ann the niece appears immediately underneath her - could she actually be the illegitimate child of Elizabeth (or another sister)

ALso on 1881 Ann gives her place of birth as Drigg, which is that of Ann the niece in 1851

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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 22:33 GMT (UK) »
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You have omitted Elizabeth Statter age 32 (Sister of John) who is listed between Jane Statter sister in law and Ann Statter Niece.  Have you discounted her as Anns mother.
Ann aged one underneath is listed as servant's daughter which looks like a reference to Ann aged 32 listed as a servant.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 22:44 GMT (UK) »
I have a suspicion the "other" Ann died

Deaths Q3 1862   Bootle Vol 10B, p311
Statters    Ann        

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Re: Mystery of two Anne Statters b. 1850
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 October 14 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I would have thought, that if there was 2 separate births entered for 2 Ann Statters on the same day, there would have been 2 different, page number, and this may be a duplicate entry for 1 Ann Statters

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