Ann Bell Dawson

[jillyinnes]

I'm having trouble confirming the parents of Ann Dawson nee Bell b 1811 in Jarrow Durham, d 1873, m 1836. Her parents are given as Arthur and Dorothy Bell. I have then found two couples with the name Arthur and Dorothy Bell. One is Dorothy Hoult (Ancestry) and one is Dorothy Surtees (familysearch.org). Most of the family trees in Ancestry give Dorothy Hoult. Can anyone tell me who her parents are? If I get Ann's birth certificate will that tell me Dorothy's maiden name?

Another question - When Ancestry gives a reference to Volume 10a page xx, what does the Volume 10a refer to?

cheers from 'downunder'
Jill

[fastfusion]

10a is county Durham,   the other pertains to the folio (or register) for which the entry is kept.
equally 5a is Wiltshire, 5b Somerset and 1 is London but maybe 1a 1b or 1c depending which part of London one is referring
it changes fairly radically in the 1960s or so where old codes may be replaced with say 5g etc ......
There are four books for each year .....essentially excepting in high populated areas


http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/     is what we use to cross compare a place to the index or the microforms

[jillyinnes]

Thanks Fatfusion, that makes sense.
Jilly

[lizdb]

If Ann was born around 1811 there will be no birth cert, as Civil Registration only began in 1837. You will be reliant on a parish register of a christening if she was christened.

You say "her parents are given as Arthur and Dorothy Bell", so presumably you have already found this parish register? 

To find Dorothy maiden name may take a bit of detective work and wider research.  First I would check the PRs to see if there are obvious siblings for Ann- where does she fall within the family? If she appears to be the eldest, then that may suggest a marriage not long before 1811. Or you may find she is the youngest of 12, for example, suggesting her parents may be in their 40s and been married 20 years before she arrived. Then you can look for marriages for Arthur Bell to Dorothy around the appropkate time, starting with the parish the eldest child was chr in, and then looking at neighbouring parishes (remember weddings were traditionally in the brides home parish even if the couple then settled in the grooms, because that was where he was working and he would be the breadwinner).
If you still find both Dorothys are still both  "possibles" you may have to look for more clues, which may not be easy. Wills for example, choice of names for the children of each Arthur and Dorothy couple (compared to names of each couples parents and siblings).

[tina morana]

Hi Jill no birth certificates were issued in 1811 before civil registration, the best you can hope for is a baptism record. Same with her marriage in 1836. If you have a family search centre nearby you could ask them to look up their batch number for the marriage which may give some more details of her parents. Good luck
Tinam

[jacquelineve]

   Jill
       Witnesses at Marriage....Arthur Bell (father? brother?)  + Geo. Wilson.

Jackie

[jacquelineve]

Are Edward + Ann Dawson (Bell) living at Kelloe Durham in 1841? if so....also at Kelloe..

Arthur Bell 60  cordwainer
Dorothy     55
Ann Sustess?   90   (may be worth looking at... Dorothy's mother?)

Jackie

[jacquelineve]

  Sustess....mis-transcribed...Surtees?

Jackie