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[mike coll]

Any help would be appreciated.I have seen my grandfathers wedding banns , army pension service    record , and medals he was awarded on ancestry but not sent for any copies or certificates.On none of them does it give date of birth or mothers name.Wedding banns give deceased fathers name , the address my grandfather is living at is with his uncle and aunt . I have spent hours and hours trying to link him to families but something always proves it wrong.
His name is William Collins born 1883 Salford Lancashire . Army number 48071 born St Matthias Salford . There is a family in that area i strongly suspect but dont know how to prove it . He married Eliza Jane Cooper a widow 1920 St Georges Salford .
I am new at this but had no trouble with my other grandparents ,am i missing something obvious here , have i enough to get a birth certificate .
thanks Mike.
   

           
 

[KGarrad]

Have you checked the 1891 census?

You didn't mention his father's name - essential if we are to help!


Also, we need to get some facts straight!
At attestation, William was aged 23 years and 6 months.
His attestation date was 18th September 1907 - so that puts his date of birth as early 1884.

[stanmapstone]

Wedding banns give deceased fathers name , the address my grandfather is living at is with his uncle and aunt .thanks Mike. 

Welcome to Rootschat

It is not "wedding banns", it is the marriage certificate in the parish register.
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e35/
Stan

[ShaunJ]

From the army file:

Mother Martha, 39 Queen Street, Ardwick
Elder brother Joseph, 9 New Chapel Street, Pendleton (presumably the Joseph who witnessed the marriage)

http://tinyurl.com/ktkk8h8

[KGarrad]

There's this possible marriage?

March qtr 1875
Salford district     vol 8d, page 12

Collins, Thomas
Nicholls, Martha

[avm228]

There's this possible marriage?

March qtr 1875
Salford district     vol 8d, page 12

Collins, Thomas
Nicholls, Martha

1891 perhaps for this Martha - widowed, with Nicholls relatives staying:

RG12/3288/127/15.

She has a Joseph, 15 b Rochdale, and a William, 9 b Canning Town, among her children.

[Annette7]

Well done, avm228.    Looks like the family spent some time in London where William was actually born but having initially been brought up in Salford he obviously thought that was where he was born.

Annette

[ShaunJ]

The address given on the 1920 marriage register is 18 Thursfield Street. This address also crops up in the army file in post war correspondence

There's a 1929 marriage with the same address on LAN-OPC:

 6 Apr 1929 St George, Pendleton, Lancs.
John Collins - 28, Accumulator Repairer, Bachelor, 18 Thursfield Street
Tilda Scott - 26, Spinster, 16 Wellington Street
Groom's Father: Joseph Collins, Dyer
Bride's Father: John Scott, Stenter
Witness: George Hamilton; Edith Kelsall

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Salford/Pendleton/stgeorge/marriages_1923-1930.html

[mike coll]

 Thanks everyone for taking the time and trouble . K Garrard  yes i will try and remember these little details like names    . His father is called Thomas Collins ,Williams birth year on his attestation ,marriage certificate and BDM index is 1883/4 .
 Shaun J ihave never even seen that file its great , i have seen his pension record short term attestation and medal roll index so i didnt even know about the fourth medal and its absolute proof of his mothers name . It also shows 18 Thursfield Street , his uncles house where he lodged and got married from . The witnesses are Uncle Joseph and his wife Alice the other marriage you mention was Josephs son .
 AVM 228 that certainly looks like them , i put their names on ancestry search and someone has done research them , Martha certainly moved around didnt she .
 Annette7 your suggestion would sound right if they came to Salford soon after Williams birth he would have untill before 1891 census to fix Salford in his memory because the famiy are never on Salford census  always moving .
 Once again thank you all for such speedy replies ,Mike .