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William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« on: Wednesday 05 November 14 21:21 GMT (UK) »
William was my great,great,great,great grandfather and I am trying to piece together his life from the small fragments available.Considering he was a labourer,I have been well blessed with information. Gloucester Archives even had his will!
From 1851 Census I know he was born in Severn Stoke. The IG Index shows a William Orman baptised in 1773 at Severn Stoke but I cannot prove it was him. A William Harman was married to Ann Webb in Ledbury in 1815.The 1851 Census shows Ann Herman was born in Ledbury,its possible Williams sister in Laws maiden name was Elizabeth Webb. Again I cannot prove this was Williams wedding.
William had several children, I cannot find baptism records for John and Hannah Herman.All the other children were baptised at Twyning and Census records say that John was born in Twyning.I find this ommision very strange considering William appears quite religeous.
 Williams Will mentions a farm in Kempsey that he had mortgaged for either £200 or £500, I cant track it down and finally William states his occupation in 1851 as an'occupier of half an acre of land. Can anyone help me with any of these brick walls I have hit. I keep racking my brain but my instinct tells me there is more information out there somewhere.Thanks for reading this. Barnsey

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 November 14 00:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi

And welcome to RootsChat  :)

I think the wedding to Ann Webb is the correct one. In Williams Will it names his executor as " my brother-in-law Thomas Herring of Colwall "

Thomas Herring married Elizabeth Webb 10 Apr 1834 Colwall, Herefordshire, England.

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 November 14 00:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is also a grave for the family in St Mary Magdalene's Churchyard, here is the M.I

William HERMAN of this parish,
died 1 June 1853, aged 79
Ann, wife died 12 May 1852 aged 58
Hannah, daughter died 2 Feb 1832 aged 16
William BARNES son-in-law died 1 March 1838 aged 36  **
and Mary his wife died 23 Oct 1865 aged 43

** Think this date is wrongly transcribed or gravestone worn as he can be found on 1851 census. Think he died 1858.

Source: http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/GLS/Twyning/MIs.html

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 November 14 06:52 GMT (UK) »
Dear Claire.

I have visited the Gravestone and can confirm that it is wrongly transcribed. William Barnes died in March 1853.His cause of death was given as 'cancer of the stomach' which had been certified for four years.Although he was known as a farm labourer, on the baptism of his last child , it states his occupation was 'laterly in the Police Force'.

Many thanks for your help,

Barnsey.


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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 November 14 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clare,
Regarding the marriage of William Herman. You quite rightly cite Thomas Hering as his brother in law, so William either married a Hering or a Webb-they are batchelor and spinster on their marriage records.

I bought Ann Herman's death certificate hoping that it would give her maiden name, which it does not. I have not yet seen the marriage details of William and Ann as it has been transcribed by the Forest of Dean History Society. I believe the original to be held in Hereford however the date seems right and it does say that William is from the Berrow district of Worcestershire which seems good.My main concern is that apparently William has signed the certificate (Ann has put a cross) yet when William dictated his Will all those years later he put the mark of a cross for his name. Maybe he was too ill to sign. It does say'In this bed on which I lie'.I think I am going to have to view this marriage certificate in person-there must be something I can learn from it. I wish I could find some way of linking this all together.

Barnsey

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 November 14 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The only thing that I can find that could tie the two families together ( Thomas Herring and Elizabeth Webb and William Herman and Ann Webb) is the 1851 census for Thomas Herring

Herefordshire Colwall

Thomas Herring hd mar 58 landed proprietor bn Herefordshire Bosbury
Elizabeth           wf   "   48                            "          "           Ledbury
ELIZABETH WARMAN  16 NIECE general servant bn GLOUCS. TWYNING

Class HO107,  Piece 1975,  Folio 35,  Page 4.

I think the surname should read Herman, Elizabeth married later in the year in Ledbury Registration district.

I think it's plausible that William may have been too ill to sign his name, the Will was signed just two months prior to his death.

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 November 14 01:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi....again  :)

Not sure if this is relevant but given the couple of miles between Kempsey and Haw Bridge thought this worth a mention.

If you do a search of " William Herman on this site www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk  for the year 1853, there is a hit about the sale of land " lot 4 " now being in the possesion of a Mr William Herman.

I dont have a sub with them so can't view the article, so can't be sure it's your man.

claire
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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 November 14 06:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,

I cannot believe you have found this newspaper article! I will let you know what it contains.Elizabeth Herman is known to me but I did not know she got married later that year. I will have to view that marriage certificate .Who knows what clues it may contain.Many, many thanks for your help :)  ;)

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Re: William Herman.Labourer Twyning 1774-1853
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 November 14 07:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Claire,
I looked up the job lot of land for sale and it was at Gotherington and I believe it was a different William H(a)rman.There was a sale of 1000s of cider apples at Haw Bridge at the same time.It was well worth looking into and if you think of anything else I would be most grateful.I have recently been through all the marriage registers at Twyning from 1818 to 1853 to see if William had signed his name as a witness which he had not. I did find the burial of Hannah Hermon on 5th Feb 1831 aged 16. How very sad. B