Tracing Irish Nugent Roots

[Selma123]

I have been trying to trace ancestors from Ireland who went to the Isle of Man around 1830.  Robert and Rebecca are shown with their children in 1841 census in Onchan.  I have tried many websites over the last 10 years to trace where in Ireland they were born but no luck.  What kind of work would be available around that time for Irish Immigrants?  Does anyone know where in Ireland they are likely to have sailed from.  I believe Londonderry had a large shipping port as well as Belfast.  If they settled in IOM are there likely to be any registration documents that might give an indication where they were born in Ireland.  I know they were Presbyterian and they were not allowed at that time to marry unless it was through C of E.  Robert was born 1801 and Rebecca between 1801 and 1807.  I want to go to Proni office in Belfast and need to know where they were born. Can anyone help please.  Selma

[KGarrad]

They didn't stay in the Isle of Man for long?

1851 census
Class: HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 541; Page: 30
8 Cleveland Avenue, Birkenhead, Cheshire

Newgent, Robert  Head  M  50  Warehouseman  b Ireland
Newgent, Rebecca  Wife  F  50  b Ireland
Newgent, Alexander  Son  M  17  Plasterer  b Ireland
Newgent, John  Son  M  15  b Douglas, Isle of Man
Newgent, William  Son  M  12  Scholar  b Douglas, IoM
Newgent, Joseph  Son  M  9  Scholar  b Douglas, IoM
+ 3 lodgers and a servant

So, based in the Isle of Man from 1835 until after 1842?

[aghadowey]

Ireland was part of the U.K. and it was not uncommon for people to travel to other areas for work. No registration in the Isle of Man would be required.

Civil registration of births started in 1864 so for earlier dates (such as these) you'd need to hope that church records survive but you need to know where they lived (parish if not actual townland) before you could check for records.

You mention Londonderry & Belfast as well as PRONI- do you just suspect they came from Northern Ireland/Ulster or is there a more concrete reason for thinking so?

"I know they were Presbyterian and they were not allowed at that time to marry unless it was through C of E."
Think you've gotten a bit confused- "Until 1782 it was illegal for Presbyterian ministers to conduct marriages"
https://www.presbyterianireland.org/about-us/historical-information/church-records

[KGarrad]

Baptism: 10th July 1836  at Braddan parish
Abode: Douglas

John Nugent, son of Robert Nugent (Labourer) and Rebecca (nee Quin)


Likewise, 14th February 1839
William Nugent      Same parents, same details


Also, 14th October 1841
Joseph Nugent

[KGarrad]

Just a small point!

On the 1841 census, they were living in Douglas, in the parish on Onchan. Big Well Street.

Picture of the street here:
http://www.douglas.org.im/GalleryShowCat.asp?Cat=Streets&ID=48

And a description:
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/v11spb.htm#27-28

Douglas didn't become a parish in it's own right until  much later, and the capital was Castletown.

[Selma123]

Thank you for the responses to my request for information about tracing the Nugents.  The IOM records and Birkenhead are as far as several extended branches of my Nugent relatives have got.  I started my search 10 years or more ago.  My father's family were Cornish and traced back to the early 1600s.  I wanted to give this one more try as i gave up a few years ago.  Several people have linked Robert and Rebecca with other Nugents and it became quite confusing as the Nugent name comes from both Catholic and Protestant communities - and were in the IOM at the same time.  Robert's death certificate shows him as Presbyterian and added to that the Nugent family were all involved in the Orange Order in Birkenhead although my mother was not.  That is my only link to Ulster other than its proximity to IOM.  I have searched various Irish records but cannot even find a birth record for the parents or the children born in Ireland.  I know without some knowledge of where they came from it is like looking for a needle in a haystack but i am in Ireland at the moment and I know this is my best opportunity to do further research.  I just wondered if by chance employers or schools would have needed to know where they came from.  If anyone has any further information I would be so grateful.  Thanks once again.

[KGarrad]

The Orange Order isn't only in Northern Ireland?!

The Orange Order in England is strongest in Liverpool including Toxteth and Garston. Its presence in Liverpool dates to at least 1819, when the first parade was held to mark the anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne, on 12 July.

[aghadowey]

I'm not sure how much detail would be shown in Isle of Man school records for that period but here in Ireland the school registers sometimes list a previous school when child was enrolled (this is not always the case). As for emplyment records, I'd be doubtful that a warehouseman or similar would have details recorded when he took up new job there.

Have you already tried tracing all possible descendants for all the children (especially Alexander who was born in Ireland) to see is anyone has more information?

There were Presbyterians all over Ireland so that really doesn't pinpoint Ulster as a location.