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Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« on: Tuesday 11 November 14 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

I am stuck banging my head against a brick wall. This is rather convoluted (as ever in family history!) but stick with it. My 3x Great-Grandfather was John Hassall b1803 Stalybridge and baptised at St Michaels Church in the neighbouring Ashton-under-Lyne to Susannah Hassall, father unknown. Between 1803 and 1815 there were 4 other baptisms at this church to Susannah Hassall of Stalybridge, all with 'fathers unknown'! My assumption has always been that this is the same Susannah Hassall and these were all siblings.

My problem/queries would be:- since there are no records of Susannah Hassall applying to the parish for money in the 'bastardy accounts' that she is likely to have either had support from ther father(s) of these children and/or from her family?

Secondly I have recently discovered records from 1853-5 in the Register of Voters Lists for Stalybridge. They list a Thomas and a William Hassall as having wholly or partly an interest in the 'property at 5 Hully Street, Stalybridge'. This property is where my Grandmother was born and lived as a child. Her own mother, Lucy Hassall (nee Lever) lived at this house until she died in 1962. So it is a fair assumption that this Thomas and William Hassall who owned the house in the 1850s were related to us. While there is a William Hassall among the illegitimate siblings of John Hassall (b1803) to Susannah Hassall, I can find no record of a Thomas Hassall in Stalybridge at that period?! Perhaps Thomas was the sone of William Hassall (b1809)?

An additional question is presumably there must have been a business in the family for them to have made enough money to have bought the house at 5 Hulley Street?

I really hope this makes sense as a series of questions as I don't have the exact details to hand and have typed this entirely from memory :S

Many thanks in advance

Jason
HASSALL~Stalybridge/Audlem; LEVER~Stalybridge; TENNANT~Yorks/Staffs/Shrops; NICHOLSON~Wick/Banff; CAMERON~Newcastle/Banff; McKAY~Macduff; WATSON~Macduff/Whitehills; WRIGHT~Manchester/Leeds/Bradford; HEYWORTH~Rochdale/Ashton;

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Oh as a secondary piece of info in the Voters Lists for 1853-4 and 1854-5 Thomas Hassall is listed as resident at the house in Hully Street, Stalybridge but William Hassall is resident in Liverpool at this time.

Thanks again

Jason
HASSALL~Stalybridge/Audlem; LEVER~Stalybridge; TENNANT~Yorks/Staffs/Shrops; NICHOLSON~Wick/Banff; CAMERON~Newcastle/Banff; McKAY~Macduff; WATSON~Macduff/Whitehills; WRIGHT~Manchester/Leeds/Bradford; HEYWORTH~Rochdale/Ashton;

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 16:13 GMT (UK) »
1851
5 Hully Street, Stalybridge

Thomas Hassall 47 blast?something? Bn Stalybridge
Sarah 51 wife bn Berkshire, no sorry it is Yorkshire!
Mally? Murphy dtr married 19 bn Stalybbridge
Martin Murphy 18 son in law
Sarah Hassall granddtr 7 mths
Mary Hassall dtr 10

Writing none too clear!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 16:21 GMT (UK) »
1861 Thomas has left Hully Street

Booth House, Rassbottom Street, Hartshead

Thomas 56 widower labourer at Iron furnace bn Ashton
Mally Lees 29 dtr married
William Lees son in law 36
Sarah Hassall Murphy 11 granddtr

+ couple of lodgers
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 19:19 GMT (UK) »
The 1811 Census for Stalybridge shows a William Hassall trade manufacturing. There were 2 males and 1 female in the household.
There is also a Mary Hassall trade manufacturing and in her household are 1 male and 8 females.

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 19:33 GMT (UK) »
 Martin MURPHY and  Mally HASSELL in 1851 at Ashton under Lyne, St Michael

Mally Hassall
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Sep 1831
Christening Place SAINT MICHAEL,ASHTON UNDER LYNE,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name Thomas Hassall
Mother's Name Sarah




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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi in 1841:

Thomas HESSALL 39
Sarah 41
Betty 16
Nancy 5
Mally 9
Sarah 7
Residing at Rassbottom Street
Census ref HO107/533/ 9/12 / 17
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EDIT on next page is a William Hassall 23 occ Butcher with wife Elizabeth 28 and daughter Ann 3 months
Census ref HO107/533/ 9/13 / 18
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 08:39 GMT (UK) »
was William a twin ?
William and Nanny / Nancy Hassall bap 26th aug 1809 bap at St Michaels , Ashton U Lyne ...
2 records for Nanny / Nancy
mother down as Susan Hassall - not Susannah .....
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Thomas & William Hassall, Stalybridge c1853
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 09:01 GMT (UK) »
There are plenty of Hassalls around.

I think this needs wider research, drawing up a wider Hassell tree, probably starting with the Thomas that has been found at Hulley Street in the 1860s  (thus we know he is a relevant Hassell) and maybe eventually finding if there is any link between him and the Susannah with the illegitimate children.
It wont necessarily be a quick exercise.
Wills will also be useful to look for, if there is property involved.

First to look for is a chr for Thomas Hassall in probably Ashton or Stalybridge, or failing those a nearby parish, around 1802-1805ish to see who his parents were.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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