Dineley family, charlton manor

[Valeriemagan]

Does anyone have evidence of the eldest son of the Dineley-Goodere family of Charlton Manor, who was killed in a dual. There were three sons from Sir Edward Goodere. "Eldest son -can't find his name anywhere in documents, but apparently he was killed in a "dual"? Second son was Sir John Dineley Goodere, who inherited Charlton Manor after his mother died (she was a Dineley) and his father Sir edward Goodere died aged 90. Third son was Samuel Goodere, captain of the Ruby naval ship, he murdered his brother Sir John Dineley Goodere, and Samuel was hung in Bristol for the murder. So, three sons, but I can,t find evidence of the eldest son dying in a dual in Ireland. Can anyone help?
Valerie

[KGarrad]

Welcome to RootsChat!

Do you have any dates?

And where is Charlton Manor? Country, county, town?

[KGarrad]

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodere_baronets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Edward_Goodere,_1st_Baronet

[garstonite]

is it Greenwich,London
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OK thanks KGarrad
Charlton,Worcesteshire

[KGarrad]

A tree on Ancestry has the eldest son as Francis Goodyere, born 1681, died 1709 in Ireland.

[garstonite]

hmm ..KGarrad - what does ESQ mean on a baptism
George
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ1J-JPL
and is this John 2 years later ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ1J-V9D
and Samuel ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1JD-2PK
Edward
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N114-6ZZ
Henry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS6H-XQJ

that looks to me like 5 sons to Edward - without Francis - so did he have 6 sons ??   or am I being a bit green - is ESQ a title on baptisms ?
cheers
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I can`t find a Francis Dineley / Goodere baptism on Familysearch

[KGarrad]

Esquire was formerly used as a form of rank, lower than Knights and Baronets.

Sir William Camden, Clarenceux King of Arms (1551–1623), defined esquires as:

    the eldest sons of knights and their eldest sons in perpetuity,
    the eldest sons of younger sons of peers and their eldest sons in perpetuity,
    esquires so created by the king,
    esquires by office, such as justices of the peace and those holding an office of trust under the crown.

[garstonite]

Thanks
is this your Francis Goodere b 1681 ??  same village as the baptisms
if so he died aged 5
so the Goodere that died in a duel wasn`t the Eldest - it was one of the other sons ?...am I right ?
George / Edward or Henry ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDCM-Z57

ADDED   actually - there is something wrong here if on Ancestry it states Francis died in Ireland in 1709 ??...was there a SECOND Francis born after 1686 , and if so why is he not on those baptisms in Cropthorne ??...he would not be the eldest if born after 1686 ??...I am a bit puzzled ?

[KGarrad]

The Wikipedia entry (which has some issues re accuracy!) says:

They had three sons.
He was succeeded by his eldest surviving son, Sir John Dineley Goodere, 2nd Baronet, who was later strangled on board HMS Ruby, a crime for which his younger brother Samuel was executed.
The third son was killed in a duel.

The History of Parliament Online says Edwards probably wasn't born in India, but doesn't mention any children; just 3 sons and 1 daughter.
And: Before his death, 29 Mar. 1739, one of his three sons was killed in a duel; the younger, a captain in the Royal Navy, was executed for the murder of his elder brother in 1741.