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Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« on: Sunday 16 November 14 16:22 GMT (UK) »
My wife's great-grandfather, Patrick John McCall, was born in Glasgow in 1857 to an Irish couple named Patrick and Judith McCall. All we know is their names, that they were Catholic, that Patrick was a farmer in Ireland and a laborer in Scotland, that Judith's maiden name was also McCall, and that Patrick died before 1888. There are literally no further records of this couple in Scotland or England, and no record of their son before his marriage in London in 1888 - and trust me I have looked. The fact that there are NO records other than this birth makes it a real mystery, and makes me assume that the answer lies in Ireland.

The only glimmer of hope that I have is that Judith is an unusual name, and that there is a history of Scottish McCalls in Ulster.

I know that the records are sketchy, and that this is needle in a haystack sort of stuff, but there are some interesting leads on familysearch.org:

- An 1841 census record for a Judith McCall, born 1833, in Killashandra, Cavan. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QV9Y-QGKM

- A probate record from 1858 for a Patrick McCanl in Cavan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCFK-GZS

- A probate record from 1877 for a Patrick McCall in Cavan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCN9-6SJ

Various tithe records also cite Patrick McCall in Cavan, but of course his name is more common. On the possible theory that Patrick may have indeed died soon after his son's birth, there is also a family with a Francis Callan and Judith McCall that appears in the records in Ballybay beginning with children in 1865 - a possible remarriage?

A true mystery - can anyone help?

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Re: Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 November 14 17:58 GMT (UK) »
9 pages (so far) on the topic for the family in LANARKSHIRE-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705020

Another new topic on MONAGHAN board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705459
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 November 14 12:17 GMT (UK) »
David, I think this is the household for 1841 with a Judith b. 1833:

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1841/Cavan/Tullyhunco/Killashandra/Farrangarve/36/

Family search show Peter and wife Margaret marrying c.1827.

Peter Mccall - Ireland, 1841 Census
birth:    1801    
residence:    1841 in Killashandra, Cavan, Ireland
marriage:    1827    

With at least Patrick John born in Glasgow in 1855, the age of the Judith here could fit for potential mother.

I can't help with Irish records unfortunately but you are in good hands with people here  :)

Monica
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Re: Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 November 14 12:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Monica! I figured we should use the unusual first name to our advantage...


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Re: Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 December 14 21:47 GMT (UK) »
My wife's great-grandfather, Patrick John McCall, was born in Glasgow in 1857 to an Irish couple named Patrick and Judith McCall. All we know is their names, that they were Catholic, that Patrick was a farmer in Ireland and a laborer in Scotland, that Judith's maiden name was also McCall, and that Patrick died before 1888. There are literally no further records of this couple in Scotland or England, and no record of their son before his marriage in London in 1888 - and trust me I have looked. The fact that there are NO records other than this birth makes it a real mystery, and makes me assume that the answer lies in Ireland.

The only glimmer of hope that I have is that Judith is an unusual name, and that there is a history of Scottish McCalls in Ulster.

I know that the records are sketchy, and that this is needle in a haystack sort of stuff, but there are some interesting leads on familysearch.org:

- An 1841 census record for a Judith McCall, born 1833, in Killashandra, Cavan. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QV9Y-QGKM

- A probate record from 1858 for a Patrick McCanl in Cavan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCFK-GZS

- A probate record from 1877 for a Patrick McCall in Cavan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCN9-6SJ

Various tithe records also cite Patrick McCall in Cavan, but of course his name is more common. On the possible theory that Patrick may have indeed died soon after his son's birth, there is also a family with a Francis Callan and Judith McCall that appears in the records in Ballybay beginning with children in 1865 - a possible remarriage?

A true mystery - can anyone help?

David, My tree on the McCall side is from Cavan, albeit the Belturbet and Cootehill areas, they were Catholic and my GGF came to Glasgow in the late 1890s early 1900s, if my info can be of any help just drop me a line.

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Re: Help with a McCall family County Cavan in the 1840's
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 December 14 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Thank you! It would be great to see your tree and look for any potential linkages.....

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David