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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #18 on: Friday 21 November 14 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone, it would seem as though another researcher who started this search has found what he was looking for, so I / we can't help any more.

The last post by Svenja was correct and that concluded what he was looking for.
So Many thanks to you all and Happy Researching
Goldie

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 22 November 14 22:13 GMT (UK) »
  But has the original researcher managed to identify the bodies that are buried at St.Audrie's Bay?

  Last night we went to a members night function at the Teutonia-Australia Club here in Hampton Park and I couldn't help wondering if those lost airmen might just happen to have been related to one of our members.

   Were the Polish airmen still operating out of Honiton on the night of 1st/2nd November 1941?  I had a look at the linked site but it doesn't tell us any more.   

    I've exchanged emails with someone in South Wales who has been a great help and sent me lists of all the raids on South Wales - but there a none listed for this date or even within a week of it.

    Surely the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge would be interested in having the remains reburied with a suitable memorial even if it only said 'Unknown'?     If that were to happen then they could take dna samples as has happened to other bodies from WW1 in France.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 22 November 14 23:08 GMT (UK) »
.hello again Malcom,
The latest I have is the following guys were Out of Honiton on that night over the Bristol Channel.      It is yet to be confirmed as this says DO-215s and another reference to our fallen Germans they were in DO-17s. I don't know the difference but in my mind it's a discrepancy that needs looking at.  So, I Need a bit more verification yet and I shall try and look in the National Archives but I'm not a member and not sure how it works. But I do have some names from the DO-217 but are they correct?  I shall try and find out more but I'm a complete a mature at this.............

"In November Luftwaffe increased its activity over the channel, and crews of No. 307 had more work to do. On the night of 1st/2nd, the crew of Turzanski/Ostrowski successfully intercepted and shot down two Do-215s. This time both kills were confirmed."

I shall pass on your message as I also think it important to get these guys home.  I believe that over the years authorities, but I don't know who, have been contacted but with no response, it is only through the caring of this gentleman and him putting poppies on the grave and remembering them that anything has been done at all! No one would even acknowledge there were any bodies there for years and thought he was mistaken as he had been only a boy when his mother told him about them.
They have now been publicly acknowledged but what happens next?

Thank you again for your help
Goldie

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 22 November 14 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi

You should just do what Graham said, look at the National Archives Website for the RAF squadrons' Operations Record Books and the Combat Reports of Sgt Turzanski in AIR 50/119/36.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/air-force.htm

I have just found the Combat Report of Sgt. Turzanski here:
http://www.polishsquadronsremembered.com/reports/Turzanski1.htm
He said both planes were Do-215 but later it was added Do-217 of II/KG2.

The Volksbund and other German Archives could only help if you know more details, like the names, date and place of birth or the unit/plane. In the sources I found the plane was either a DO-215 or a DO-217-E2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_217

I also found a discrepancy, one link says that they belonged to the Kampfgeschwader (Fighter Squadron) 2, but in another link I read that this unit was in Russia near Moskau at the time in question.

As I said before, if we had more details, I could ask in some German Forums, maybe someone knows more about the names we found or the units in this area at that time.

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Svenja
 
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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 23 November 14 01:52 GMT (UK) »
 I have sent an enquiry to the Volksbund with the suggestion that these poor airmen should be given some recognition.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 23 November 14 02:38 GMT (UK) »
   I take it that St Audries Bay is due north of West Quantoxhead and just to the east of Watchet?   In that case it would have to be the 22.15 hours attack by Sgt Turzanski on the northbound raid number 57 possibly heading for Barry Docks or even Swansea.    The Dornier downed south of Sidmouth would have crashed in the English Channel and not the Bristol Channel.    I wonder how the raid numbers were assigned for Raid 57 and Raid 381 on the same night sounds odd?

   We have a bit more to go on now.   If both raids were from the same base in France then I think it would have been in either Brittany or Normandy.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 23 November 14 03:06 GMT (UK) »
  Youtube clip of a Dornier 215 and crew climbing aboard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYMMKfHNSA
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 23 November 14 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Here are the links with the history of the Kampfgeschwader 2 which I mentioned before. But there is
more written about the I and the III Group than about the II Group which is of interest for this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_2

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_2

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Kampfgeschwader/KG2.htm

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 23 November 14 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Hello and sorry for the delay in replying but frustratingly my computer has been OFF for some unknown reason.

Firstly, Svenja,
Last night I visited the National Archives on line (as I'm miles away to do it in person) paid my money to look at the file you and Graham gave me, but once it came through via email I could not open it.  I tried different ways on two different computers to read it but to no avail!  I have run out of ideas what to do on that one.  Any ideas? I've downloaded every program I know to download them
but .... No good.!
I can't open the links your gave me either so I'm not having much computer luck right now, it is frustrating as I want to read what's in them and see if there's anything relevant as I'm sure there is.

Malcolm,
 you are correct with map reference for St Audries bay, I hope the bit of info I gave you was helpful, but as yet I've nothing useful to add I'm afraid.
Thank you all for all your continuing help
With best regards
Goldie