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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 November 14 18:51 GMT (UK) »
If funds for flowers still come from Germany, surely one family name and address is known. They would know name of of at least one aircrewman, unit and aircraft. Next thing date is crucial. It's pretty hopeless up until May 1941 when there were so many Luftwaffe units in France. They ranged far and wide, South Wales, Bristol, Midlands and Northern Ireland etc. etc. During May the bulk were moved East for the invasion of Soviet Union. Thereafter only a holding force remained.     
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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 November 14 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Hello Regorian,
Sorry but the letters stopped many, many  years ago and none survive today. Hence the problems of finding out who they were.  The chap who puts the poppies on the site of the bodies today was only a child at the time his mother used to put poppies there.  He does not remember any more.

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 November 14 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again Malcolm for your help. 
I have sent an email to the gentleman who has been putting the poppies on the grave for more Info if he has any, and I'm now waiting his reply.
Another person has suggested there were 4 Germans, but at them moment I have no idea if this is correct or if it can be verified. But the thought is that another two bodies were washed up a few miles away on another beach at Lilstock. I do not know if this is fact, or, if it is, if they were found in the same month or year even as our two Germans.
 But, If it is correct and they were all in the same plane would that make a difference to the type of plane we are looking for? 
But for now I only know of two un- identified Germans, and they are in this grave yard.
So I await more info in reply to my email from The Gent.
Many thanks
Goldi

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 November 14 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Update information.  It looks as though it was AROUND the 1st of November 1941, NOT the 21st.Nov. One, maybe two Dorniers, possibly DO217 was shot down in the Bristol Channel, just off St Audries bay. Sorry this puzzle is getting a bit hazy but I'm collecting info from long ago memories. We would love to find out the air men's names.
Hope you can help

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 November 14 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi

In this forum is mentioned a possible crew of a Dornier 217 E2.
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=192105

I tried to find out more about them, but I couldn't find anything until now.

It is also mentioned that they were shot down by 307 Squadron.
I found out that this was a Polish Night Fighter Squadron.

Here are some Dorniers which were lost, but nothing matches the date.
http://www.aircrewremembered.com/KrackerDatabase/?q=Dornier

As I am a member of two German Genealogy Forums I could ask there if you want.

By the way have you or someone else searched the newspapers of that time?

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 November 14 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Svenja you have been most helpful. 
I suppose if it was a Dornier it would have been listed on the site you showed me? As it's not there then maybe it was another type of plane? I know nothing of any wreckage so I can't help there, and I have read the 12oclock site and there is also confusion I think.

I do not know if anyone has looked at newspapers of the time. I will ask the others.

I think any help would be good in finding who these poor souls were, but I wish I had more concrete clues to give you.
Again, thank you
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Goldie

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #15 on: Friday 21 November 14 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi

"On the night of 1st/2nd Nov. 1941, the crew of Turzanski/Ostrowski successfully
intercepted and shot down two Do-215s. This time both kills were confirmed."

http://www.polishsquadronsremembered.com/307/307Story.html

The website about the German Luftwaffe I gave you has only Fighter Planes and Fighter
Pilotes listed. If a Dornier is not a Fighter Plane than it would not be listed there.

I don't know if the Luftwaffe Archives on aircrewremembered has all Dorniers listed which crashed.

I have also looked at another German Website which lists many airplanes which crashed.
I looked at all Do215, Do215B but nothing matches, from the Do217E no one crashed in 1941.

But it is possible that some incidents are missing in this database.
http://www.crashplace.de/output.php

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #16 on: Friday 21 November 14 18:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again for your wonderful help, I will pass this information on to my friend. I wonder if there is any way of finding out where those two planes were brought down, I dint see any place mentioned.
Your knowledge has been very helpful, thank you.
Regards
Goldi

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Re: WW2 German plane crashes in St Audries Bay, West Somerset, England,
« Reply #17 on: Friday 21 November 14 18:26 GMT (UK) »
The RAF squadrons' Operations Record Books are digitised and might give a clue, as might the Combat Reports. There's a Report for Sgt Turzanski in AIR 50/119/36 which looks promising. It might include the markings on the downed aircraft and will almost certainly identify its type.
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