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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #18 on: Monday 24 November 14 01:27 GMT (UK) »

More details of the Open passengers on the 'Lang'

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2185023?searchTerm=

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #19 on: Monday 24 November 14 06:09 GMT (UK) »
You may be interested to know that the "F Greenway" to whom Orpen was assigned in 1826 was (almost certainly) a convict himself who designed some of Australia's best colonial architecture.  Greenway had been found guilty of forging a document in 1812 when he already had a prcatice as an architect in Bristol.  He was allowed quite a deal of freedom and set up in private practice in Sydney immediately.

He later fell out of favour and was farming a grant of land on the Hunter River which is possibly where Orpen finished up as Hexham is on the Hunter also.

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/greenway-francis-2120

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #20 on: Monday 24 November 14 06:33 GMT (UK) »
Samuel  ORPEN, a listed passenger on the Lang may have been a married son of Edward ORPEN. He died young-

7146/1826 V18267146 2C   ORPEN Samuel
Aged25

His wife Elizabeth remarried
1828,James Phelps marries Mrs Orpen, Sydney

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2190733

John ORPEN, also listed on the Lang with wife, later appears as bankrupt storekeeper of Gosford

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13018834

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #21 on: Monday 24 November 14 08:40 GMT (UK) »
From the Biographical Database of Australia

James Christy PHELPS, aged 33, Bachelor, of Sydney,  HM Customs
And
Elizabeth ORPEN, aged 24, Widow of Sydney
Married 12 July 1828, by licence, registered St James C of E, Rev Richard HILL
Witnesses Charles H CHAMBERS of Elizabeth St Sydney, and Isabella Maria Ann HAYWOOD of near Parramatta
ALL signed.

Samuel ORPEN, originally free, Gentleman, of Paterson’s Plains, died aged 25, buried 9 December 1826, by Rev G A Middleton, registered Christ Church C of E, Newcastle.

1828 Nov Census
Householder ORPEN Daniel Crump, Residence: Sellick,  Patersons Plains   (some transcriptions have it as ORPIN) arrived per Sir Godfrey Webster.     
Maria CRUMP, aged 50, Protestant, arrived per Lang 1826, Free
John Wood CRUMP 9,  protestant, born in the colony
Alice CRUMP, 15 protestant, born in the colony
Marie CRUMP 14, protestant, born in the colony
Ann CRUMP 11, protestant, born in the colony
Robert STEEL, 26, protestant, per Isabella, free, servant
David MALONG, 50, Catholic, per Mangles, 1828 life, government servant

http://www.bda-online.org.au/

ADD Samuel's burial https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/2465673641/in/set-72157605008173551/

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #22 on: Monday 24 November 14 10:38 GMT (UK) »

 
1828 Nov Census
Householder ORPEN Daniel Crump, Residence: Sellick,  Patersons Plains   (some transcriptions have it as ORPIN) arrived per Sir Godfrey Webster.     
Maria CRUMP, aged 50, Protestant, arrived per Lang 1826, Free
John Wood CRUMP 9,  protestant, born in the colony
Alice CRUMP, 15 protestant, born in the colony
Marie CRUMP 14, protestant, born in the colony
Ann CRUMP 11, protestant, born in the colony
Robert STEEL, 26, protestant, per Isabella, free, servant
David MALONG, 50, Catholic, per Mangles, 1828 life, government servant

http://www.bda-online.org.au/

ADD Samuel's burial https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/2465673641/in/set-72157605008173551/

Cheers,  JM


Well, here we have Maria  ORPEN and some family who are seemingly using her maiden name as their surname  and stating born in colony.  Her husband in 1828 was still living...(buried Jan. 1829)... so why the use of the maiden name?

Here is Alice's death-

9112/1830 V18309112 2C
ORPEN Alicia
Age 17
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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #23 on: Monday 24 November 14 10:52 GMT (UK) »




 
1828 Nov Census
Householder ORPEN Daniel Crump, Residence: Sellick,  Patersons Plains   (some transcriptions have it as ORPIN) arrived per Sir Godfrey Webster.     
   
 Cheers,  JM


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2215174

Daniel Crump HORPON is  cross-examined in 1834. HORPON/ ORPEN ??

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #24 on: Monday 24 November 14 12:04 GMT (UK) »
What an amazing amount of information within 36 hours of asking!  Thank you everyone.  I am going to make a large strong black coffee now and spend a couple of hours digesting it all.  I can see the picture emerging.  Will be back  :)
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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #25 on: Monday 24 November 14 18:09 GMT (UK) »
What a great bunch you have all been  :D 
5 hours later (and many black coffees) I have positively confirmed the parentage of Edward Orpen.  The 1828 census helped in confirming his family although it has some mistakes.  The family arrived in 1826 so it was impossible for the children to have been born in NSW.  Maybe the enumerator was having a bad day or had difficulty with the Kerry accent.  (Kerry-County :))  It was usual for children to take the mother's maiden name as their middle name.  Daniel Crumpe Orpen, a son,  was HOH in 1828 so maybe again the enumerator's pen was short of ink.  In just one of the ten or so newspaper reports that I read  over here re the perjury case was mentioned Edward being lately of Island Lodge (Kerry)  It no longer stands but I eventually found his father living there with Edward and his siblings.
So I have achieved what I was looking for and if anyone in Australia has Orpens going back to this family I am more than happy to send details of Edward's forebears.
Once again, many many thanks to you all.  I could not believe the response!

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Re: Edward Orpen
« Reply #26 on: Monday 24 November 14 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Do you know if there are any relations by the surname MORIARTY. It seemed very odd that the person I found had the name Edward ORPEN Moriarty  ???

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