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Offline lizdb

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Re: Name change?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Does anyone have these details yet? Apologies if they do, just catching up:
Births Jun 1920   
Macaulay    Doris    Hart    S.Shields    10a   2147

Its in reply #4
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Re: Name change?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:23 GMT (UK) »
I don't know what Kenneth's Dad was called, i don't think he ever knew him.
She said she was married to him but i can't find any record of it. Would a bigamous marriage be listed somewhere? And if it was i only have her name, unless the birth certificate names him of course.
I'd like to think it was just an illegitimate child, not bigamy, not incest, no drama!
Whatever the secret, it was a big one because it haunted her. :-(

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Re: Name change?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Yep I see it now  ;D I am was just looking at a possible hart/hart marriage in 1949 and there seems to be an issue with the names for  Doris Hart marrying someone. It's volume 3c page 1145 Nottingham, how could this happen? I haven't come across it before!
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Re: Name change?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:29 GMT (UK) »
might be this one;
Marriages Mar 1940 10a 1905 S.Shields
Cable  Joseph 
Hart  Doris
There are no children listed for them under Cable.   
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Name change?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:35 GMT (UK) »
Would a bigamous marriage be listed somewhere?

It would be recorded like any other, because, at the time, it would not be known to have been bigamous, otherwise it would not have been allowed to take place!

My feeling is that she wasnt married to him, he turned out to be a rotter (maybe he promised to marry her but turned out he was already married, thus family story of "Bigamy" started even though it never actually happened) and her shame was simply that she was taken in by the guy, had his baby believing he would marry her, then he scarpered as it turned out he was already married.
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Re: Name change?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:48 GMT (UK) »
I think you need to get some certs.

Remember, years ago there were secrets kept and I am sure most people thought they would stay a secret. So a bigamist could marry again as before internet, computers etc people would just take his word that he wasnt married.

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Re: Name change?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 12:59 GMT (UK) »
Not sure we can do any more (other than come up with all sorts of possible scenarios) until Kenneths birth cert arrives.

Either he will be child of Doris/Veronica Hart, no previous name, father not named. In which case she was not married to the father, he could be anyone, and we can forget all worries about bigamy or incest
Or
he will be child of Doris/Veronica Hart nee McAuley, father Mr XX Hart, - in which case we can look further as to whether there was a marriage, if so whether it was bigamous, whether he was related etc

But, having mulled over the not-so-nice possibilites in previous posts, I am hoping and expecting it to be the former!

Do post the details on here when it arrives.
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Re: Name change?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Hopefully things will be a little clearer once the certificates arrive.
I am presuming she took the name Hart as it was her grandparents name and it was easier for her to use it, rather than her birth name of MacAulay.
Still can't figure out why she would use Veronica Doris though..hopefully all will be revealed soon!
Thanks again for your input. :-)

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Re: Name change?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 13:34 GMT (UK) »
Maybe she just didnt like the name Doris, and liked the idea of something fancier, so chose that of the sister she never knew.

Again I dont think there has to be any deep and mysterious reason!

(My grandfather started life as plain "Willie", but as a teenager/young adult he and his brother decided they wanted middle names "like everyone else" and he certainly didnt like Willie, so he called himself William Herbert from then on. He was married, twice, as William Herbert, did everything as William Herbert, died as William Herbert. Neither either of his wives nor his daughter knew he was ever anything else. Only after his death, when his birth cert was found, that it came to light that he had changed his name. When querying it with surviving brother, the story came out)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk