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Outlawe
« on: Monday 01 December 14 19:58 GMT (UK) »
In Wichingham parish there is a marble inscription "In memory of Thos. Outlawe, the elder, gent: who died July 3, 1633; In memory of Thos. Outlawe, gent; who died May 15, 1650;  In memory of Ralphe Outlawe, gent; who died Nov 14, 1670 and Elizabeth, his wife, who died July 4, 1671".

In Ringland parish in the middle aisle of the church is a slab to Robt. Outlawe, no date.

Can someone tell me how to find more information on this family?  I believe my Edward Outlaw who came to Virginia around 1678 descends from this family and I am searching for proof.  I have written both churches but to date have not received an answer.  Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.   Millie

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 December 14 23:14 GMT (UK) »
This is the family tree according to WiKiTree;
http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Outlawe-Descendants-1
& again:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/outlaw/messages/943.html
Assuming he was relatively young he could be this Edward:
Edward Owtlaw
birth: 3 April 1646 Elsing, Norfolk, England
father: Frances Owtlaw
mother: Elizabeth
 
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 01:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks.  That is the slab I was looking for.  I am looking for proof that Robert Outlaw was the father of my Edward as many have suggested.  So far I have found none.  Edward was referred to as Gentleman.

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 07:44 GMT (UK) »
for the record
Francis Outlaw married Elizabeth Watts in Elsing Norfolk 12th Oct 1642 - about 7 weeks after the start of the English Civil War ....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNKN-BVS

children Edward first
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJHB-W77
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZG-4LV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N16L-W9R
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJHB-H68
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDWT-PLS
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7PT-3JX
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSH5-S79

so - I would imagine Francis fought in the English Civil War - but which side was he on ?
Royalist
Parliamentarian ??
my guess is Royalist - if the family were "Gentlemen "
very interesting family .... :)
but - Edwards mother is Elizabeth ??...could Francis have changed his name to Robert to avoid detection by Cromwells henchmen ?...I doubt it - but I wouldn't rule it out completely ....fun this research isn't it ...lol
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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Just to clarify that the slab is dedicated to Ralph, not  Robert Outlaw, 1620-1688.

Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 11:31 GMT (UK) »
The Outlaw information seems quite comprehensive however the author was unable to find a positive link from Edward thru' Robert & back to Ralph Outlaw & made the assumption this was the line.
The author also states that Edward had a brother John, Francis Outlaw's children don't include a John so that line may be a red herring.
I'm not sure if the 1664 Norfolk Heraldic Visitations will throw any light on it:
http://www.heraldry-online.org.uk/HarleianPublications2.htm
There is a USA link if you want to get the CD.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 13:32 GMT (UK) »
They were obviously an important family in the area.
There may well be a Will or two around which could throw light on family relationships.

I see the National Archives have a will dated 10th April 1658 for Edward Outlaw, Gentleman, of Norwich.  It might be £3.30 well spent.

Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 15:21 GMT (UK) »
I can tell you that in Edward's will he mentions parents Ralph & Elizabeth, brothers Thomas, Ralph* & John & sisters Mary m. Thomas Bell & Elizabeth m. Anthony Pearson.
*All the males are referred to as Gent except Ralph who appears to be referred to as Clarke (possibly meaning of Holy Orders).
There's no wife or children mentioned.
He leaves £50 to the children of Elizabeth but no other nieces or nephews are mentioned.
This Edward according to the info is the uncle of the other Edward.
Can't see a will for Edwards alleged father Robert.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Outlawe
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 20:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone.  Francis and Elizabeth Outlaw are not my Edward's parents.  I have seen those births.  Edward did have an older brother John and they evidently came together to Virginia.  Jim, are you referring to the articles by John Bruce?  He definitely has a lot of information on the early Outlaws and could not prove Edward was the son or Robert.  At this point it would appear we are never going to have an answer but I keep looking hoping we will one day come up with the proof.  I did find the slab for Thomas who died in 1650.