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EDKIN from Lancashire
« on: Tuesday 02 December 14 22:43 GMT (UK) »
George EDKIN, b. 1767 in Lancashire to George & Margaret Wilkinson Edkin emigrated to the U.S.  The first record found in the U.S. was a marriage to Deborah Mooreby in New York City in 1794.  I presume he may have sailed from Liverpool.  Is there a database from Liverpool for ships that sailed in approximately 1790?

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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 23:14 GMT (UK) »
George was a widower when he married?
Burial 17 March 1791   
Margaret Edkin
at Cockerham, Lancashire, England 
Wife of George Edkin

Did he have children Francis (son) baptized 9 May 1784 and  Margaret 17 May 1781 with him in US?
If this is your George Edkin then he left for US after March 1791.

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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 23:30 GMT (UK) »
The George who came to the U.S. had a father named George and some siblings.  The siblings who came to the U.S. were Francis & John.  Their parents were George and Margaret, but they also had a sister Margaret.  I've seen that death record but don't know if it was the mother or sister, Margaret.  The father George also came to the U.S., apparently without wife, so I think the woman who died was the wife & mother of the man I asked about.  How did you come up with a date "after" March 1791?  The father and his sons may all have come here together.  I have no idea.

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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Assuming (very dangerous) that Margaret was the first wife of your George Edkin and, again, assuming that he was still in England when she died and was buried, then he left Lancashire after her burial date of March 1791.  :)  But, as you say, it is more likely to be George's jnr's mother Margaret who died in March 1791 which means George snr didn't leave Lancashire until after March 1791

I am trying to fill in the baptism dates for George snr and Margaret as there are some large gaps and even a couple of the knowledgable trees online which I looked at, seem to have missed Jenny's baptism, and the burial of the first John.

Bapt 25 Mar 1764 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire
Jno. Edkin - Son of Geo. Edkin
Burial - burial 6 May 1767 
Bapt 4 Feb 1776
John Edkin father Geo.Cockerham (two sons named John, see burial of previous 1767
Bapt 9 Mar 1767 St Mary,
George Edkin - Son of Geo. Edkin
Bapt 3 Dec 1769 St Mary, Lancaster,
Sarah Edkin - Daughter of Geo. Edkin
bapt 28 Feb 1773
Jenny Edkin father George Cockerham
There is a 10 year gap with no births
bapt Margaret 17 May 1781 Cockerham Lancs
bapt Francis (son) baptized 9 May 1784   Cockerham Lancs

Evidently there is a report of George's death in 1848 in the Muncy Luminary 4 Mar 1848. I wonder if that happens to mention when he arrived in the US. I have no idea about searching for US newspapers. Unfortunately the earlier US censuses don't say when the person immigrated and I am having absolutely no luck with shipping records.




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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 17:19 GMT (UK) »
The Edkin who died in 1848 is George, Jr., son of George & Margaret.  The Muncy Luminary is merely an announcement of his death and provides not other information.  George, Sr. died in New York City and is buried near Wall Street, but there is no mention whatsoever of a wife Margaret at any time in the U.S., which leads me to believe that her husband left England after her death.

You mention "first marriage," but I think you are confusing the Georges - father and son. Father was married to Margaret Wilkinson; son George married Deborah Mooreby in the U.S.  Local legend says he left England rather hurriedly and could not return to her, so she traveled to the U.S. so they could marry.  He apparently was engaged to Deborah prior to his emigration.


I do not see a 10 year gap in children, and you do not have that either.  I believe it's because you put the second John out of chronological order.  I have the following dates of birth:  John 1764, George 67, Sarah 69, Jenny 73, John 76, Margaret 81 and Francis 84.  I did not, however, have the death date for the first John/Jonathan and wondered what became of him. Thank you for that information.

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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi
You are right I have them out of order. Yes I realize it was George jnr who died in 1848 and it is a shame it didn't give any other details. Glad I actually got something  right with the first John's death.  ;)
Was George snr's death reported in any newspapers?
So what is needed is the immigration dates for George snr, George jnr and Deborah Mooreby/Moreley (transcription of name on marriage record on ancestry). Have you seen the original film of the marriage held by the LDS? Just in case there is any other information which has not been transcribed.


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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 20:16 GMT (UK) »
I truly appreciate your helping me, and the info about John was new to me.  What was the source where you found John's death?

I've seen Deborah's name spelled Marby, Mooreby, Moorsby.  I got the info on the marriage from the New York City Marriage Index.

I have not found a record of George, Sr's. death in any NY papers; I got the burial information from the NY Genealogical Society's records regarding burials.  This church is near where the Twin Towers stood, and many of the stones were rendered unreadable after 9/11.

Do you know if there is anywhere I can look to find out if the Margaret who died is the wife of George, Sr.?  I'm nearly positive it is, but, of course, my opinion doesn't count if I can't verify it.

There are two local histories published giving two different stories about why the family left England.  One says that George, Sr., brought his sons here because he did not want them to have to serve in the King's Army. The other history says that George, Jr., violated the game laws by shooting a deer on the King's land and came here to escape punishment, and as it was not prudent for him to return to England to marry, Deborah came here.  I have not found her immigration information either.



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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello
the baptisms and burial of the first John and the burial of Margaret I got from familysearch.org
If they have a centre near you  https://familysearch.org/locations/ you can order in the films of the original record. Sometimes they have additional information that hasn't been transcribed.

There is this baptism on familysearch also. I know this makes Deborah older than her grave says but if she was a few years older than George jnr she may have knocked a few years off (vanity!)
Baptism
Deborah Mooreby
19 June 1763 Melling (Near Hornby), Lancashire, England
Father Joseph Mooreby
Mother Jane

Melling, near Hornby, is about 18miles from Cockerham where the Edkin children were baptised

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Re: EDKIN from Lancashire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 December 14 22:26 GMT (UK) »
There is a small LDS Church near where I live, but they no longer keep a library open, as they don't have the volunteers to staff it.

I have that information about Deborah.  I've saved it but have no way to know if it's the right person. There was another Mooreby female born in that vicinity who is closer in age, but her first name was not listed as Deborah.