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John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« on: Thursday 04 December 14 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi, i'm a first time poster (anywhere) so please be gentle with me.
This gentleman is my 4th great grandfather and is driving me crazy. He was born in Birch Essex 1804 and married Elizabeth Pits (i think) in Writtle Essex 1830. I think he may have had more than one wife, maybe Mary Drain or Train. Immigrated to Australia in April 1841. I think his father was Henry Moss 1774-1848. His son Thomas was my 3rd great grandfather. I'm trying to find who his wives and children were. Any information would be greatly appreciate. Thanks.

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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 December 14 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi and a warm welcome to Rootschat!

Can you tell us when and where Thomas (your 3rd ggrandfatehr) was born? If we start with him, and work back one step at a time, hopefully we will keep on the right track.

By the way, If you have ancestors in Essex, then you will be pleased to know that Essex parish registers are online and can be searched online. The site is SEAX (a google will find the full address). A subscription is needed, but I think you only need pay for a few days worth if you want.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 December 14 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi, thank you for your fast reply.
Thomas Henry Moss Born 1830, Essex is all i have. Possibly in Writtle
Arrived Australia April 6 1841.
Married Hannah/Annie Heath in Brighton, Tasmania, Australia. 1857

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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 December 14 13:22 GMT (UK) »
There's a marriage in the Boyd's Index for a John Moss to Elz Pitts in 1829 in Writtle, Essex.
GOATER, LAN, ALL
BOURKE, MAYO/ LAN
LONERGAN, TIP
McGREAL, MAYO
FLAHERTY, GALWAY/ ALL
HOUGH, LAN/ ALL


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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 December 14 12:09 GMT (UK) »
A JOHN Moss was Baptised 12 June 1804, All Saints, Writtle, Essex to HENRY/REBECCA
Other Childrens Baptisms to Henry/Rebecca;
HENRY, 06 July 1803
THOMAS, 18 Aug 1805
ARCHER, 28 Dec 1806
WILLIAM, 26 March 1809
JOSEPH, 15 Dec 1811

Henry a Bachelor Married Rebecca FITCH a Spinster, 09 Dec 1801 same Church

Source of above;
www.freereg.org.uk

Trish :)

EDIT, a JOHN/ELIZA Moss are still in Writtle, Essex in 1841;
HO107/326/13/Writtle
John MOSS, 35, Male Servant
Eliza, 30
John, 12
Henry, 9
Louisa, 6
Eliza, 3
Mary, 9mths

1851 they are in Hintlesham, Suffolk
John MOSS, born c 1804 Writtle, Essex
Eliza c 1810 Writtle
Children, Louisa 15/Eliza 13/Mary Ann 10/George 8/Fredrick 6/Edward 7mths

Eliza PITTS was Baptised 24 Sept 1809 All Saints, Writtle to JOHN/ELIZABETH

This fits the 1851 Census.

So something wrong here.

Do you have the Australian M/C and Death Cert of your Thomas?



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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 December 14 12:47 GMT (UK) »
So Passenger List has;
John Moss, 37, Farm Labourer
Mary, 39, House Servant
Joseph, 14
Robert, 12
Thomas, 11***
Native place Essex

EDIT I have seen the M/C no Fathers named or Moss Witnesses.
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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 December 14 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

I found this which has a bit more info about John,


New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896

John MOSS
Married male Immigrant
Arrival by the  Bossonah Merchant
Brought out by  Alex CAMPBELL
A native of  Birch Essex, son of Joseph a labourer dead. & Mary HODGES his wife there.
Calling  Agricultural Labourer
Age on Embarkation  37years  29th December 1840
Persons certifying registry of baptism:  J HOLMES
Character and Person certifying the same:  W PALMER,  J WALKER

State of bodily health, strength and probable usefulness:  V Good
Religion:  Protestant
Comments:  Reads and writes


ooh next pages have info about about Mary and the children.....


Mary MOSS
Married Female Immigrant
A native of Legsden, Essex, daughter of William DRAIN a labourer dead and Sarah Ann also dead
Calling:  Domestic Servant
Age:  39  29th September 1840
Persons certifying registry of baptism:  J HOLMES
Character and Person certifying the same:  Same as Husband

State of bodily health, strength and probable usefulness:  Very Good
Religion:  Protestant
Comments:  Reads only


Male Children exceeding one and under eighteen

Joseph    14 years    27th December 1840
Robert     12 years    12th March 1840
Thomas    11    6th May 1840
___________

R MOSS 10yrs of age at time of application  October 26?  1840

Persons certifying registry of baptism:  None


I think I've transcribed this correctly, I think Legsden might be Lexden and I don't know why R MOSS is written differently to the other children.



If I'm understanding the above info then John would have been born 29th December 1803 so here is a possible baptism for John, about 3.5 miles from Birch, Essex.

29 Jan 1804
Copford, Essex
John MOSS
Parents:  Joseph & Mary


Marriage
23 Nov 1834
Birch, Essex
John MOSS
Mary DRANE


That would mean all the above children were not John and Mary's.


I'll go and look for them.


Regards,
Daisy

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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 December 14 18:55 GMT (UK) »


Looks like both John and Mary had been widowed,

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDW-TDYR
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Re: John Moss, Born Birch Essex 1804
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 December 14 21:51 GMT (UK) »
The 1834 marriage in Birch.

John Moss
Mary Drane
both widowed
by banns
witnesses
Thomas Moss
Catherine Moss
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