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Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« on: Saturday 13 December 14 13:59 GMT (UK) »
This is a spin-off of a previous thread on our relative Herbert Rippon. This is on the Australia board.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=686465.msg5321864#msg5321864

Herbert Rippon was sentenced to be "transported for life" at Derby 13 March 1851 for Highway Robbery & Assault along with his brother-in-law George Harrison. He was in Derby Prison for the 1851 census.

The next record I have found for him is when he was put on board the Clyde as Convict No 4018 on 27 March 1863 at Chatham. The Clyde then went on to Portsmouth and then Portland before sailing for Western Australia on 15 March 1863. He was then allocated the WA Convict No 7235.

So, 12 years between sentence and being transported to Western Australia. Why ???

Nearly all of the Lifer's transported on the Clyde had been sentenced in the early 1850's.

One of those was William Gentle sentenced to Life, along with William Palmer, just 6 days after Herbert Rippon and George Harrison. I recently found this very well researched story about Gentle and Palmer spending 10 years in hulks in Bermuda before being brought back to Chatham to be shipped to WA. Unfortunately, the authors email account is no longer active.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/con116.htm

William Gentle 4008, Herbert Rippon 4018 and most of the Lifers were put on board the Clyde at Chatham.

Herbert Rippon was sentenced to be "transported for life" in 1851 but did he go to Bermuda to start off with. That would explain the gap of 12 years.

Sorry if its a bit long. Hope this is of interest to Bermuda and Western Australia researchers!

Can anyone tell me if the Prison Hulk records 1851 - 63 are available anywhere or is a trip to Kew the only answer?
   

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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 December 14 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks MargP.

Been looking around for weeks and that is what I think  :(

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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 December 14 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Have got a PDF I downloaded from the NA, saved it because I knew I would probably struggle to find it again, have Herbert listed on the Clyde 1863, do you have a copy?
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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 December 14 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi willsy.

No I do not have a copy and would love to have one.

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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 December 14 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Pm me your email and I will send it over.

I was searching for mine being sent to Gibraltar, no idea after that  :)
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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 December 14 21:15 GMT (UK) »
willsy - I have sent you a pm with my email.

Thanks


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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 December 14 21:24 GMT (UK) »
I found the records of the Hulk prison Ship York for the early 1840s at the National Archives.My gggrandfather was aboard for bigamy .This huge book had so many names,beautifully written with a description of his appearance and any markings or scars he had.it also confirmed his place of birth and also the fact that he had been released after3 years.
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er(essex)Nightingale(kent Sussex)Sutton (sussex)

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Re: Prison Hulk records - Looking for Herbert Rippon
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 December 14 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ringrose.

It's encouraging to know someone else had a success at finding a relative in the hulks.

Were all the hulk records in a single book? I think it is HO8. I visualised lots and lots of books.

Where was the York moored when your gggf was on board