Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN

[Annie65115]

You need access to Ancestry.com or similar, I think, for census addresses.

Did this get answered? Apologies if this is repeated:

1901 the family was at 36, Price St, Birkenhead.
Parents Samuel L and Jane, and children May, Bessie, Sarah, David, Tilly all born Russia (foreign subjects);  Gertrude and Esther born Lancs, Manchester.

[heywood]

You need access to Ancestry.com or similar, I think, for census addresses.

Did this get answered? Apologies if this is repeated:

1901 the family was at 36, Price St, Birkenhead.
Parents Samuel L and Jane, and children May, Bessie, Sarah, David, Tilly all born Russia (foreign subjects);  Gertrude and Esther born Lancs, Manchester.

Hi Annie,
Just saw this.
That information is known. I wrote re Ancestry.com because it was USA addresses that were being discussed.

Heywood

[Annie65115]

OK - better repeated than left out!!!

[brigidmac]

Thanks Annie ;yes I started with the 1901 liverpool census and tried to link the names with ones on passenger ships to USA ; It looks like the elder children Mary/may b1880
Barius/Benjaman/Bernard b.between 1868-1874
Bessie /betsy b1882
and David b1886 all travelled independently .in 1904 or 1905

brother Benjaman's NY address links them all up .
I'd like to know if he was a widower when  he married Lena Ratner in 1902 to know if he was the same man as manchester  Barius Jacob Fellman

He arrived in NY around 1898 
 
 I was confused by a ship record of a Barnet Feldman, tailor going to stay with his sister M.lebrokein
in brooklyn 1904  This must be a different man

[brigidmac]

to reach my total of 12 siblings for great grandfather george jacob fellman i now have to ignore the 3 half siblings and find 3 more who may have stayed in GB one must be born pre 1870  the others probably born between 1871 +1879 which are the missing years on latvian records i have the births + deaths of the last 6.
The name Jacob keeps cropping up ; a married wallpaper packer  age 26 lodging with a Gilbert family

there are a few newspaper articles ;though I've only accessed the 1 about my ggfather who was actually named george jacob

and a death in 1922 w.derby  aged 52 b1868

there is a death of a rebecca fellman aged 27 in 1900 she could be his wife or 1st wife of Barnet jacob F

there is also a nathan who died in prestwich aged 58 in 1916  + I believe i came across his name in earlier research .I also discounted him  and an unbaptised baby born russia 1888 because of the  1920 data  George jacob F as" 2nd eldest of 12siblings, 2 of whom are dead"

there are plenty of possibilities with the Feldman spelling but I have to narrow search down so ignore them  for now unless there is an address link or strong name correlation .

[brigidmac]

  Samuel/Lazarus Fellman + Sana/jane nee landman other dead children quite likely to be
 samuel Fellman age 0 dec 1892 age 1 born 4th quarter of 1891
+ Isreal age 0 1894 can't find corresponding birth
 

Can't find any other records Of Barius?Barnet Jacob Fellman's Children ;
but  a good indication that Barnet+ wife + children came to GB from Russia the same year as the rest of the family .is that his son
 Adolf Fellman of 5 bent st was enrolled at manchester jews school in 1891

He was in USA by 1899 but his children could have been with their mothers family(don't know her name )
 in 1903 Annie b1895 +Isreal  b1896 would still have thier father's name on school enrollment
thier date of withdrawal from school is 25/11/04 which is around time  most of their (potential)aunts + uncles were travelling to USA

[brigidmac]

Does anyone know  Russian/Hebrew version of Mordechai .Abraham . Isaac +  Rachel + israel



Our Fellmans  have links toRussia .lancs. Dundee,Glasgow
          +to the surnames Landsman , Bloch + Cohen names

 so I'm willing to bet that   Mendel Jankel F son of ( Jankel Leib) born 1867 ,my ggfather's cousin  became                                     

 George          if  accept the FelDman spelling
 
 ..found in Dundee Census 1911 aged  42 , clothier born Russia
Married to Bertha Baloch 39 b.Russia

They married in Theolsia (don't know where that is) in 1895
 
children ; Gertrude FELDMON 14 b lancs 1897   Thought she was 1 of ours at 1st
Moses aged12 born Glasgow
 Louis ,harry + John born after  1901 in Dundee

His death records from 1925 say he was a a jute maker parents Mordechai + Mary ms Bredman

 
 2  candidates for our  siblings are

According to Manchester rate book
  Abraham Fellman who lived at 38 Herbert st. Mancs in 1898
with an Abrahm isaac Cohen 

 Isaac Felman marries Dora cowen w.Derby 1905
births Sophia 1906 + Isreal  mar 1909 w .derby

Rachel Fellman who died 1900 aged 20



Also wonder if the Mendel on 1891 census with our George was actually a woman as per census colum but an Aunt

[brigidmac]

 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=724944.new#new 
Shows    lancs research done on this particular family   ;

I also posted on American forum re the Fellman Girls name changing + now realise their ages also changed by up to 4 years when they got on the boats + arrived in USA .

[brigidmac]

update Rache Fellman death cert ; not enough info ..died in workhouse ..maybe they didn't know whether she was married